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Neanderthals spoke like modern humans


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 02:01 PM

A new fossil discovery suggests that humans were not the only species capable of complex speech.

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Far from the stereotypical 'cave man' seen in movies, the Neanderthals are believed to have been capable of using complex language and spoke in a way not dissimilar to the way people do today.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 02:52 PM

Of course they spoke a language.  Why anyone would ever think that they were less than human, I will never understand.  They stood upright, hunted, created art, buried their dead, etc.  They were humans.


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 04:50 PM

Anyone that has ever made/tried to make a stone arrowhead would soon realize how difficult it is to be as sophisticated as a Neanderthal.


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Posted 24 December 2013 - 07:18 PM

They probably spoke better than some of the people who post on this forum.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 07:30 PM

This  suggests  they  also practised singing and stand up comedy.

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Posted 24 December 2013 - 11:42 PM

View Posttaniwha, on 24 December 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

This  suggests  they  also practised singing and stand up comedy.
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Posted 25 December 2013 - 02:20 AM

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 02:37 AM

The more I hear about Neanderthals, the less seems to differentiate them as a species of homo, to simply a group within Homo sapiens. I'm obviously not saying there aren't, but I mean it seems like there's less.

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 03:03 AM

I think a lot of people aren't seeing that they're being compared biologically.  Just because they spoke and thought like homo sapiens, doesn't mean they were homo sapiens.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 03:28 AM

View PostCRYSiiSx2, on 25 December 2013 - 03:03 AM, said:

I think a lot of people aren't seeing that they're being compared biologically.  Just because they spoke and thought like homo sapiens, doesn't mean they were homo sapiens.
Precisely.  We don't know that they spoke anyway; there is indirect evidence and they probably had language, but sounds in the air leave no fossils.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 04:00 AM

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I think a lot of people aren't seeing that they're being compared biologically.  Just because they spoke and thought like homo sapiens, doesn't mean they were homo sapiens.

Let me restate your statement..because you just confused the hell out of me...I know I'm not that bright...but...
Neatnderthals and Human Beings are being compared biologically.  They spoke like humans.  They thought like humans. Homo Sapiens are humans but Neanderthals were not...because of the biological differences you see.  Just because they walked like humans, and talked like humans, and thought like humans, and used tools like humans, doesn't mean they were human.

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Posted 25 December 2013 - 04:11 AM

Neanderthals are of the genus homo as are we.  They were, however, almost certainly a different species.  (Like horses and donkeys are different species but in the same genus).


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 04:30 AM

View PostTheSpoonyOne, on 25 December 2013 - 02:37 AM, said:

The more I hear about Neanderthals, the less seems to differentiate them as a species of homo, to simply a group within Homo sapiens. I'm obviously not saying there aren't, but I mean it seems like there's less.
That's still an ongoing debate between scientists, whether Neanderthals should be classified under the sapien classification or not.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 04:50 AM

View PostShadowSot, on 25 December 2013 - 04:30 AM, said:

That's still an ongoing debate between scientists, whether Neanderthals should be classified under the sapien classification or not.
I think that misstates it a little; there is always room for doubt but I don't think Neanderthals have ever been seen as sapiens.


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Posted 25 December 2013 - 05:13 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 25 December 2013 - 04:50 AM, said:

I think that misstates it a little; there is always room for doubt but I don't think Neanderthals have ever been seen as sapiens.
I've seen papers published using both Homo Neanderthalis and Homo Sapien Neanderthalis, and recently.

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