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#61    davros of skaro

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 03:47 AM

Female Jinn in a Man does not want him to marry (prewedding jitters has nothing on this.)



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Posted 28 December 2013 - 08:33 PM

The thread title promised a Muslim interpretation of ghosts.

Jinn aren't ghosts.

The Jinn were worshipped prior to Muhammed.  All the way back to Sumer, where they were referred to as the Abgal.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 03:00 AM

View PostHarte, on 28 December 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

The thread title promised a Muslim interpretation of ghosts.

Jinn aren't ghosts.

The Jinn were worshipped prior to Muhammed.  All the way back to Sumer, where they were referred to as the Abgal.

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In summary: We as muslims (humans and jinn) believe that when we die we will live in the grave and be questioned about our beliefs either being punished or not, waiting for the end of times untill every human and jinn is dead and then Allaah will bring us back to life and we will be judged based upon our beliefs and deeds and the muslims will go to paradise and see their creator and the disbelievers to hell and never see their creator and some muslims will also go to hell for a certain amount of time, because of sins etc. And those who did not know about islam will be tested on the day of judgement.

So we do not believe in our souls wandering the earth and causing paranormal things (this is basically what ghosts are isn't it?).

We only believe in the jinn who are invisible for human eyes and also created to worship Allaah the creator of heavens and earth alone and we believe they are the ones causing paranormal activities some people may encounter.

I call them Jinn, and if you want to call them ghosts, shadow people, demons or any other name than that's up to you.

And i know they were worshipped prior to the Prophet Muhammad and this is also stated in the quran in Surah al-jinn (chapter the jinn) and that is why he called those who whorshipped the creation to worship the creator of the universe and everything in it.

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And if somebody took offence of me saying the disbelievers go to hell then i can understand why, but they really shouldnt take offence. Why? Because every belief system says the other is wrong. The christians say the muslims go to hell. The jews say the christians and muslims go to hell. The atheists say we'll see black and be non-existent etc.

I don't really take offence when somebody from another religion tells me i'm going to hell, but yea this is another discussion, just wanted to clear that up.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 03:57 AM

View Postmuslimexorcism, on 29 December 2013 - 03:00 AM, said:

In summary: We as muslims (humans and jinn) believe that when we die we will live in the grave and be questioned about our beliefs either being punished or not, waiting for the end of times untill every human and jinn is dead and then Allaah will bring us back to life and we will be judged based upon our beliefs and deeds ...
That is also the Christian interpretation - no such thing as ghosts.  Can't speak for the Jews on this myself, though.

I don't believe in Ghosts.  But I don't believe in Jinn either.  Or pretty much any other magical fantasy.

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I don't really take offence when somebody from another religion tells me i'm going to hell, but yea this is another discussion, just wanted to clear that up.
I dion't take offense either.  In fact, I'm quite often told to go there!

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 11:03 AM

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 02:32 PM

Only in the name of Allah ( BismAllah PBUH) can protect you from Shaytan (Satan.) Here is how you protect yourself everywhere you go.



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 08:51 PM

My god, will humanity never realise that as long as people follow a religion we will never see peace, unite or evolve as "one". I often ask myself how in this day and age people can still fall for this dark ages crap. How can people still not understand that there are hundreds of different religions,  all claiming to be the "correct" version of events and praise the "correct" prophet, god, etc whilst claimkng all other religions are false. Look at all the scum killing innocent people across the globe in the name of some imaginary character and book. ITS PATHETIC! ALL religions should be outlawed, the world would be a much nicer place with people believing in mankind rather than following instructions and blighting their lives trying to please some pathetic cartoon character.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 09:30 PM

View Postcaptain pish, on 31 December 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

My god, will humanity never realise that as long as people follow a religion we will never see peace, unite or evolve as "one". I often ask myself how in this day and age people can still fall for this dark ages crap. How can people still not understand that there are hundreds of different religions,  all claiming to be the "correct" version of events and praise the "correct" prophet, god, etc whilst claimkng all other religions are false. Look at all the scum killing innocent people across the globe in the name of some imaginary character and book. ITS PATHETIC! ALL religions should be outlawed, the world would be a much nicer place with people believing in mankind rather than following instructions and blighting their lives trying to please some pathetic cartoon character.

So this is your solution for world peace. Ban all religions. How are you going to do that? Kill the majority of the world who does follow religion? How can you believe in mankind when mankind believes in religion? Be reasonable and come up with a normal solution, even in an "intolerant" islamic state we do not ban all religions.

Atheists also claim all religions are false, so you're not very different from us are you. Have you even took the time to study religion and history properly or are you just becoming emotional now? What's the point of living as an atheist and building up a nice world if you believe we'll die and be non-existent?

And don't you believe in evolution? The strong survive don't they? Well let me tell you this; islam is very strong and it will survive wether you like it or not...

God is not a cartoon character, you should be thankfull for the life and existence God gave you and worship him alone. The brain we had a thousand years ago is still the same as now and some choose to follow religion with it and others not and some just live without really thinking and follow like sheep...

How do you want people to listen to you if you sound so arrogant and mad with a picture of throwing religions in the garbage without really giving them solutions? Don't follow religion and all our problems will be solved? I don't think so... only in your fantasy world maybe.

Also read this:   Sacred Freedom. Western Liberalist Ideologies In The Light Of Islam by Haneef Oliver

https://archive.org/...OfIslamByHaneef

It will give you a better understanding of why we believe what we believe as muslims.

Edited by muslimexorcism, 31 December 2013 - 09:46 PM.

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 02:25 AM

View Postcaptain pish, on 31 December 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

My god, will humanity never realise that as long as people follow a religion we will never see peace, unite or evolve as "one". I often ask myself how in this day and age people can still fall for this dark ages crap. How can people still not understand that there are hundreds of different religions,  all claiming to be the "correct" version of events and praise the "correct" prophet, god, etc whilst claimkng all other religions are false. Look at all the scum killing innocent people across the globe in the name of some imaginary character and book. ITS PATHETIC! ALL religions should be outlawed, the world would be a much nicer place with people believing in mankind rather than following instructions and blighting their lives trying to please some pathetic cartoon character.

When the whole of Dunyea (Earth) is a willing slave to Allah (pbuh), then peace will reign.Islam is the fastest growing Religion due to higher fertility rates, and disenchanted Christian conversions.

Thanks to Islam distractions like drugs, and even music will be the thing of the past while we give thanks five times a day, and other servitudes to the owner of everything.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 03:26 AM

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When the whole of Dunyea (Earth) is a willing slave to Allah (pbuh), then peace will reign.Islam is the fastest growing Religion due to higher fertility rates, and disenchanted Christian conversions.

Thanks to Islam distractions like drugs, and even music will be the thing of the past while we give thanks five times a day, and other servitudes to the owner of everything.
There is no peace in slavery - only suffering of the slave.  Subjugating others by imposing "servitudes" in the name of God is an abomination and crime against humanity - if God wanted slaves he would not have endowed us with free will in the first place, it is man who wishes to have power over and enslave other men, that's all I see when I read this kind of thing regardless of which faith spouts it.

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 03:35 AM

View PostHarte, on 29 December 2013 - 03:57 AM, said:

That is also the Christian interpretation - no such thing as ghosts.  Can't speak for the Jews on this myself, though.

I don't believe in Ghosts.  But I don't believe in Jinn either.  Or pretty much any other magical fantasy.

I dion't take offense either.  In fact, I'm quite often told to go there!

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When someone tells me to go to Hell, I properly should take offense and depending on the circumstances I very well may.  This doesn't mean I think there is a Hell, but to assert someone should go there is scummy.


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 03:37 AM

So now Muslims will take over the world by out-breeding everyone else?


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Posted 01 January 2014 - 04:04 AM

Interesting Video (haven't watched all of it yet)

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The first women that was talking was mentioning that the jinn was strangling her. It brought back a memory from when i was a child when they told me that a jinn was strangling a family member of mine in our home in Morocco. Didn't really give it much thought back then.

Also brought back another recent memory. I was having a conversation with my cousin and we started talking about the jinn. He asked me is it allowed to say it if you saw one? I said I don't know some people don't care they just tell. So he told me he saw one in the shower when he turned and it left very quickly. I have no reason not to believe him. He described it as a black jinn, what the americans call shadow people.

I could tell you some other experiences people whom i know had in Morocco. It was a one time experience of a guy (not related to me) who saw two women talking when he went in the night to get water (village in Morocco), he said something to them. They were talking in a language he could not understand and looked at him and after that they left. So he lost sight of them (mountains) and followed them (seconds later) in the exact same direction they went and he saw nothing after that, as if they disappeared in thin air. He became sick after that experience, The imam of the mosque told him they were discussing if they should kill him and they decided not to. I'm still questioning myself how would this guy (the imam) know that if he wasn't there.

Also my father's grandpa used to see them at night in the village when he would give water to the olive trees or whatever you call them (you'll see a lot of those when visiting Morocco), he saw them gather in a circle with a fire in between. That part of the village was really scary at dark.

I myself had an experience in Morocco as a child while on vacation when it was slightly dark. Don't know if it was a djinn or not. We were running after this Dog and hitting it with stones, may Allaah forgive us for that. Moroccans are mostly hard people so that's what we did for "fun". So we were running after it and there was this big pile of sand, we lost sight of it for a few seconds and when we arrived on the side there was nothing. The only logical explanation i have is that it jumped over the wall but i doubt it, because that would be unexplainable itsself. Why? There was this big cactus thing in front of the walls we had and we would have at least seen it jump over the wall because it was a matter of seconds. And also if it could jump walls, it would have done so earlier when we were beating it for some time with stones. it wasn't in the cactus thing also. How high can dogs jump? I don't think it could have made it. The other (intruding) dogs we beat up couldn't in broad daylight.

I feel sorry for all those dogs we used to beat up, may Allaah forgive us.

I'm not making this up. If i were i would have come up with some better stories, trust me... I have no reason to disbelieve anyone who told me some of these stories but i understand those who do.

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:10 AM

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So this is your solution for world peace. Ban all religions. How are you going to do that? Kill the majority of the world who does follow religion? How can you believe in mankind when mankind believes in religion? Be reasonable and come up with a normal solution, even in an "intolerant" islamic state we do not ban all religions.

Atheists also claim all religions are false, so you're not very different from us are you. Have you even took the time to study religion and history properly or are you just becoming emotional now? What's the point of living as an atheist and building up a nice world if you believe we'll die and be non-existent?

And don't you believe in evolution? The strong survive don't they? Well let me tell you this; islam is very strong and it will survive wether you like it or not...

God is not a cartoon character, you should be thankfull for the life and existence God gave you and worship him alone. The brain we had a thousand years ago is still the same as now and some choose to follow religion with it and others not and some just live without really thinking and follow like sheep...

How do you want people to listen to you if you sound so arrogant and mad with a picture of throwing religions in the garbage without really giving them solutions? Don't follow religion and all our problems will be solved? I don't think so... only in your fantasy world maybe.

Also read this:   Sacred Freedom. Western Liberalist Ideologies In The Light Of Islam by Haneef Oliver

https://archive.org/...OfIslamByHaneef

It will give you a better understanding of why we believe what we believe as muslims.

Ok first I would stop religious text being taught as standard in schools and educate children as to how the universe was really created and evolution and how man was searching for answers before the practice of science and came up with some crazy explanations.

Manking has advanced so much I  the last 60 years and has been able to discover many things about life, the universe, the human body, physics etc. How can anybody shun that information and instead revert to some medievil crap that is completely unbelievable?

Life is simply about living and hoping to leave this place better than you found it.at least thats what peaceful societies believe. Life is not about pleasing some cartoon character in the hope of meeting your virgins etc in the afterlife. What a selfish way to live. It is a shame that people cannot come back to life for 5 minites after death just to let you all know there is nothing.
As far as the worlds problems being solved if their were no religion, I think it would at least go a long long way to stopping the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent people each year. Lets take islam for instance if it werent to exist how many people would have not beem mutilated and killed bombs or had their heads brutally removed? The idea that anybody whi denies the existence of their phrophet must be killed is absurd. Ive seen children made to behead people in the name of allah.
There are all kinds of bloodshed all over the world at present all rooted in religion. Its like "my dad can beat up your dad" pathetic playground stuff.
The brain may be the same as 1000 years ago but 1000 years ago we thought that the earth was flat and that the gods were angry when a flood or famine occured. We didnt know any better and without answers made a story to fit.
We now know most things, how and why they occur. To ignore the facts and continue to practice a middle ages religion seems like people dont have the brain power to see whats staring them in the face.



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Posted 01 January 2014 - 12:33 PM

View PostlibstaK, on 01 January 2014 - 03:26 AM, said:

.... it is man who wishes to have power over and enslave other men, that's all I see when I read this kind of thing regardless of which faith spouts it.

If the 'goal' of organized religion was the enlightenment and salvation of humanity then forcing others to accept various rules/regulations/dogmas would not be necessary. No, I personally think the 'goal' of most organized religions to be political in nature. Anything used to restrict the personal freedoms of others in the name of God or State is not a good idea....history strongly supports this.

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