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#1    zoser

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 04:45 PM

My view is that there is something curious about this phenomena that is unexplainable in conventional terms.

Readers may want to familarise themselves with the legend (or fable) of David Lang.

http://voices.yahoo....748.html?cat=38

Possibly fiction I agree.

However what about Orion Williamson?  Remarkably similar in detail:

http://altereddimens...e-of-david-lang

In an attempt to acquaint myself with the phenomena I am part way into David Paulides book Missing 411.  The book focusses on people going missing in National Parks in the North West US.  His other book deals more with the Eastern US cases.

Several curiosities interest me:

Sometimes people are never found; other times only some of their bones.  More curious still is that when bones are found clothes are found nearby.  Not shredded; torn or blood stained. The idea of a predator attack is not feasible.  No entrails or blood.

Cases such as Robert Winters (78 years old Missing in 1969 Oregon while hunting) and Charles McCullar (19 years old missing 1976 Oregon) fit the above profile.  In the latter case his trousers were found not laid out but as though he had just stepped out of them, and one of his tibia bones was still in the trousers.  Inside his socks were foot bones.  Bizarre!  What happened to these people?

Often toddlers as young as two are found alive miles away up and over mountains.  Would a two year old toddler be capable of that?  Usually this is in cold temperatures in difficult terrain.

Children disappear in these areas when the parents have taken their eyes off them for only a minutes or even seconds.  As if someone or something is watching for the opportunity.

If these people are being abducted, how come the abductors get away so quickly?  There are no vehicular routes near to these disappearances.  Often parents give chase only minutes later, and fail to find a thing.  Tracker dogs have proved to be of little help in these disappearances and seen to get disorientated.   All of this needs consideration.

Finally have a look at this:



The Missing Norfolk Regiment?   Missing Eskimo Tribes?  All folklore or is there any truth in all of these things?

Do you know of any similar fascinating cases?

Edited by zoser, 26 December 2013 - 04:48 PM.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:20 PM

The band "Missing Persons" is nowhere to be seen. :su


Here is a Wiki list of missing people.

http://en.wikipedia....ed_mysteriously

Aliens only need about 1,500 people to have their own breeding population to work the Bloopmort Crystal mines of Tellianna 7.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 08:49 PM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 26 December 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

The band "Missing Persons" is nowhere to be seen. :su


Here is a Wiki list of missing people.

http://en.wikipedia....ed_mysteriously

Aliens only need about 1,500 people to have their own breeding population to work the Bloopmort Crystal mines of Tellianna 7.

No one said it was aliens.

It could be but I have not established a definite link yet.

Something out of the ordinary is happening.  That's all I know at this time,

Thanks for the link by the way.   i will review it tomorrow.

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Posted 26 December 2013 - 11:43 PM

The Frederick Valentich disappearance.

The Valentich disappearance refers to the unexplained disappearance at around 7:12 pm on 21 October 1978 of 20-year-old Frederick Valentich while piloting a Cessna 182L light aircraft over Bass Strait in Australia. He intended to land at King Island and return to Moorabbin Airport.

During the 127-mile (235 km) flight, Valentich advised Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him. He described some unusual actions and features of the aircraft, saying that his engine had begun running roughly, and finally reported that the "strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again. It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

Valentich and his aircraft were never found, and an Australian Department of Transport investigation concluded that the reason for the disappearance could not be determined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzfVBrMol0


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:32 AM

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Inside his socks were foot bones.  Bizarre!


Erm...if the dead person had rotten away leaving only the bones...then it makes sense that the foot bones were inside the socks :)


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:36 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 27 December 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

Erm...if the dead person had rotten away leaving only the bones...then it makes sense that the foot bones were inside the socks :)
Yeah I was wondering why the fact that there was no entrails or blood next to bones was bizarre too?

On another note, I liked the video to a point:

1.  What was Lord Lucan doing in the mix of mysterious disappearances? Everybody knows he ran away because he murdered the nanny, nothing mysterious about that whatsoever.

2. 10 Million americans do not disappear each year - according the the below it is 2300 x 365 = 839500

http://www.trutv.com..._missing/2.html

And the FBI records the following:

During 2012, 661,593 missing person records were entered into NCIC, a decrease of 2.5 % from the 678,860 records entered in 2011.  Missing Person records cleared or canceled during the same period totaled 659,514.  Reasons for these removals include:  a law enforcement agency located the subject, the individual returned home, or the record had to be removed by the entering agency due to a determination that the record is invalid.

http://www.fbi.gov/a...istics-for-2012

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 04:26 AM

View Postzoser, on 26 December 2013 - 04:45 PM, said:

Finally have a look at this:

The Missing Norfolk Regiment?   Missing Eskimo Tribes?  All folklore or is there any truth in all of these things?
Hoaxes and a murderer on the run? Spooky.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:00 AM

View PostMeridian O, on 26 December 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

The Frederick Valentich disappearance.

The Valentich disappearance refers to the unexplained disappearance at around 7:12 pm on 21 October 1978 of 20-year-old Frederick Valentich while piloting a Cessna 182L light aircraft over Bass Strait in Australia. He intended to land at King Island and return to Moorabbin Airport.

During the 127-mile (235 km) flight, Valentich advised Melbourne air traffic control that he was being accompanied by an aircraft about 1,000 feet (300 m) above him. He described some unusual actions and features of the aircraft, saying that his engine had begun running roughly, and finally reported that the "strange aircraft is hovering on top of me again. It is hovering and it's not an aircraft.

Valentich and his aircraft were never found, and an Australian Department of Transport investigation concluded that the reason for the disappearance could not be determined.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbzfVBrMol0

Excellent case.  We do however have some indication of what occurred from his dialogue with the airport controller before he went missing.  Also his plane was seen apparently accompanied by some strange illuminated object.  Whether this object caused his plane to crash is open to debate.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:09 AM

View PostRlyeh, on 27 December 2013 - 04:26 AM, said:

Hoaxes and a murderer on the run? Spooky.

I don't think so,

David Charles Knowles (43 years old, disappeared at Sims Flat Campground CA in 2006) left the campsite to visit the toilet (200 yards away) and was never seen again.  Left behind his truck (carrying a motorcycle), belongings, while waiting for two friends to arrive for a fishing trip.  Engaged to be married,  His parents had just put down a payment on a house and he had a secure job as a truck driver.  He was an experienced camper.

http://projectjason....es-ca-08172006/

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 10:14 AM

View PostBavarian Raven, on 27 December 2013 - 12:32 AM, said:

Erm...if the dead person had rotten away leaving only the bones...then it makes sense that the foot bones were inside the socks :)

And why only one (broken) leg bone inside the trousers?  Where were the other bones?  Why no blood or entrails?  Why were the trousers not laid out horizontally?  Why no tears or rips?  The belt and buttons had been undone as though he had just stepped out of them.

Sorry but this is not as simple as it sounds.  You may appear to have a simple clear answer to it, but the investigators certainly didn't and neither do I.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 12:13 PM

View Postzoser, on 27 December 2013 - 10:09 AM, said:

I don't think so,

David Charles Knowles (43 years old, disappeared at Sims Flat Campground CA in 2006) left the campsite to visit the toilet (200 yards away) and was never seen again.  Left behind his truck (carrying a motorcycle), belongings, while waiting for two friends to arrive for a fishing trip.  Engaged to be married,  His parents had just put down a payment on a house and he had a secure job as a truck driver.  He was an experienced camper.

http://projectjason....es-ca-08172006/
Your comprehension skills are non-existent, could you show me where David Charles Knowles is mentioned in the video?


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 01:26 PM

View PostRlyeh, on 27 December 2013 - 12:13 PM, said:

Your comprehension skills are non-existent, could you show me where David Charles Knowles is mentioned in the video?

I never cited a video link for David Charles Knowles.

Please ask if you are are having difficulty understanding the direction of the thread so far.

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Posted 27 December 2013 - 02:00 PM

View Postzoser, on 27 December 2013 - 01:26 PM, said:

I never cited a video link for David Charles Knowles.

Please ask if you are are having difficulty understanding the direction of the thread so far.
I'm having difficulty understanding why you brought up David Charles Knowles when the video was criticised. Oh I see, you were dodging.

Edited by Rlyeh, 27 December 2013 - 02:01 PM.


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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 27 December 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:



And why only one (broken) leg bone inside the trousers?  Where were the other bones?  Why no blood or entrails?  Why were the trousers not laid out horizontally?  Why no tears or rips?  The belt and buttons had been undone as though he had just stepped out of them.

Sorry but this is not as simple as it sounds.  You may appear to have a simple clear answer to it, but the investigators certainly didn't and neither do I.



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Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:10 PM

Why was there no blood and entrails? Those rot/are washed away very quickly and decompose just as fast. Soft flesh and blood are the quickest to vanish in the woods. As for there only being one bone left in the pants - simple. As the body decomposed scavengers pulled the rest out of the pants. You'd be surprised at how fast small critters and bugs can make a body vanish (the body not the clothing mind you). A deer carcass left in the woods for two weeks - you'd be lucky to find some bones left at the end of those two weeks (assuming something big didn't drag the body off and hide it). As for the case this came from, nothing strange/paranormal to be seen for anyone who has spent any length of time out in the woods. Cheers.





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