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#1    outoftheworld

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 12:31 AM

Yeh we hear the stories about `lights over lake eeerie` blah blah, but nothing seems to eventful ever happen in the ufo community.

All we have are channelers going on about love and light.

And all the supposed `good cases` are from decades or half a century ago, and they are mostly testimonies or second hand hear say..

I think this is why when i first got into ufology about 8 years ago, i contacted some local ufo groups who told me they had shut down due to lack of participation, i could not understand why.

And now i know why, it isnt so much as a lack of attention span, its a fact that there really is nothing..  and either aliens are smart and cover up and cloak everything...
or people have lied about what they saw,  there is only two explanations.

Back a few years ago, even if they turned out to be terrestrial occurances, there were stil incidents like the norway spiral, or the supposed ufo over airports that caused disturbances..  but nowadays there is nothing.. its as if the 2012 doomsday hoax has killed off any interest in aliens/ ufos, ive even noticed theres a severe reduction in even fake cgi videos made..  people just do not care anymore.

Maybe its the fact that with science and all the top people saying that statistically there has to be life out there now, that it just isnt a big deal the thought of aliens anymore.. so less people trying to hoax the public, and less things to look at..

Either way, i am very disenchanted with ufology

Edited by outoftheworld, 31 December 2013 - 12:32 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 12:49 AM

ps i accidently made a double thread on this, so please delete the other one


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 12:52 AM

View Postoutoftheworld, on 31 December 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

ps i accidently made a double thread on this, so please delete the other one
Not trying to derail but I have to ask - why did you choose Jeff Chandler as an avatar?  He was a B movie god back in the 50s and 60s...

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 12:58 AM

does `b` movie mean second rate movie?
because most of his movies were actually high ranking ones like away all boats and broken arrow -- they were top box office hits

despite his natural grey hair he was still fairly young, its a shame he died so young..  and he is probably the only caucasian actor to sucessfully pull off a convincing native american chief in cochise.....

also there was a certain charisma, a presence about him that no one else has had.....

anyway, thats why i love this picture.

plus if you read my introduction thread, i dont really like society or humanity very much..
did you know how badly they screwed over cochise?
he came under a white flag and they HUNG HIS TWO BROTHERS IN FRONT OF HIM..

and these are the american forefathers who america is built on!

Edited by outoftheworld, 31 December 2013 - 12:59 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 01:11 AM

Modern Ufology? Ufology is as modern as modern gets. It's a newer phenom. Unless you ask a fringe, then of course Modern Ufology would be fitting.

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 01:12 AM

View Postoutoftheworld, on 31 December 2013 - 12:49 AM, said:

ps i accidently made a double thread on this, so please delete the other one

It's done.

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 01:13 AM

I think we've learned all we are going to about UFOlogy. There will never be any surprises. There will never be 100% agreement. Only decades of arguing.



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Posted 31 December 2013 - 02:27 AM

Welcome to UM Outoftheworld!

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 02:44 AM

View PostMentalcase, on 31 December 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

Modern Ufology? Ufology is as modern as modern gets. It's a newer phenom. Unless you ask a fringe, then of course Modern Ufology would be fitting.

Well, you could argue that UFOlogy is old, as man has always looked to the sky and sought explanations for that he did not recognize. UFOlogy as we know it, however, seeking to extract funds by means of writing questionable books etc is indeed new.

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 03:38 AM

View Postbadeskov, on 31 December 2013 - 02:44 AM, said:

Well, you could argue that UFOlogy is old, as man has always looked to the sky and sought explanations for that he did not recognize. UFOlogy as we know it, however, seeking to extract funds by means of writing questionable books etc is indeed new.

Cheers,
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I think you said it all in the last line :0    Anyone who has an experience or knows of a weird case that is one of the unexplained and try to research what someone else has found out about it, forget it! Lying wackos, wild theories and maybe one sentence of truth about the whole event... just there making a buck off of  someone else. I bought 3 books in my whole life on the subject that I thought were about the cases involved but they really weren't! Garbage! Fabricating on other people's experiences to make them out as ignorant person, gullible or as insane as the author if he really believes what he's writing. I can't believe the stuff they can sell as non ficton.  Of course this happens in non UFO unexplained phenomenon as well, it's sad.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 05:43 AM

UFOlogists themselves killed it, not knowing the consequence.

Or, probably they didn't really care. They certainly know that they can speculate at best, and they were only interested in short-term profits.

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:13 AM

I am not under the impression that the field ufology is lacking cases to document and that 'nothing' is going on in these organisation. MUFON and NICAP for instances seems in pretty good shape.

Also, this website: http://www.openminds.tv/ is aplenty with UFO sightings news.

Of course, some local groups, that have not the organisation nor the means to pursuie their activities will shut their doors. There is nothing new in that regard and it's not bound to ufology in particular. It required founding through membership, times and a structure to maintain it.

No I think that Aliens and extraterrestrial civilizations is a subject that we have certainly not finish to discuss. As our specie make technological progress and that scientists discovered new worlds every week, our cosmos seems bigger than ever and full of potential. All this is fertile ground for UFO sightings.. legitimate or not.

You seem to me rather kind of disappointed of our current understanding and situation of these phenomenon. I can't agree more with you. But I do not think at this point that we should expect a flying saucer to land on the lawn of the White House or that Archeologists dig up a 3000 years old spacecraft in Egypt. It seems to me that if Aliens really visit us and if we lend a ertain credibility to claims of sightings, abductions and close-encounter, which is no certainty, that's not the way we should expect them to operate.

View Postambelamba, on 31 December 2013 - 05:43 AM, said:

UFOlogists themselves killed it, not knowing the consequence.

Or, probably they didn't really care. They certainly know that they can speculate at best, and they were only interested in short-term profits.

Ufology is a field in which all kind of people can voice their opinion and (often controversial) ideas. So obviously the field has not the rigidity of a science nor do all ufologists have the expertise required.

But in all fairness there are people, serious and dedicated to this cause, with interesting background that have contributed to it. Building a solid documention, a database which could be later viewed by mainstream science if need be is where reside the relevance of ufology. Because as it stands today, ufologists are the ones interested to pursuie the research of this phenomenon and think it's worth to shed light on it. Unfortunately in a field open to fantatism, frauds and deceits , this is not always done objectively and rigorously.

Edited by sam_comm, 31 December 2013 - 06:40 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:34 AM

@ sam --  ufology is in good shape?

99 per cent of it is witness reports...

or pictures of `orb over the niagra falls`...

in terms of hard or convincing visual evidence..  there is NOTHING

zero.. zilch...

and im sorry, you can talk all you want about `reports on mufon`  but it doesnt mean jack


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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:38 AM

I am pretty sure US government pretty consistent with UFO things like other government affairs. They are, overall, pretty damn uninformed and incompetent.

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Posted 31 December 2013 - 06:48 AM

View Postoutoftheworld, on 31 December 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

@ sam --  ufology is in good shape?

99 per cent of it is witness reports...

or pictures of `orb over the niagra falls`...

in terms of hard or convincing visual evidence..  there is NOTHING

zero.. zilch...

and im sorry, you can talk all you want about `reports on mufon`  but it doesnt mean jack

Sorry but I said that certain organisations in ufology such as MUFON and NICAP (and others in Canada and Europe) are in good and shapes. Ufology in itself as a field of research is in the same state that it's ever been.

The phenomenon consist of sightings and experiences by human beings it has always been that way. No pieces of flying saucers or ET bodies has ever been confirmed by the mainstream scientific communauty and political elites to exist on Earth.

In my own view, if a scientifically and technologically advanced civilization would be visiting or monitoring Earth without wanting beings of our planet to know, as not to disturb our developement as a specy, they could avoid been discovered as long as needed. Why should an Alien civilization act and think as we do? That's a nonsens. Also, who knows if these beings would be from this world or reality altogether? Without more evidence, we probably won't discover it in our lifetime. I do think though that there is a legitimate process behind the phenomenon.  But that's my own interpretation.

Edited by sam_comm, 31 December 2013 - 07:02 AM.





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