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Is modern ufology dead?


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#76    White Unicorn

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 02:44 AM

View Postdr no, on 03 January 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

Yet lots of people have revealed secrets concerning spying,nuclear weapons etc so why not ufos?Do you not find it suspicious knowing how many people over the years would be involved in such a cover up yet not one credible witness has come forward?

There will never be credible witnesses!  What would make them credible, being a president, an astronaut, NORAD, military law enforcement,  forget that.

Evidence for hackers, I think not, not all files are kept online.

Massive cover up like conspiracy theorists would say, not really, since even the players don't know the whole game or who the other players are. Very few if any would know the all the implications of all the different UFO types people witness, natural causes and  otherwise. I'd  venture to say that those who know enough also know it is best to leave it as mysterious things or hoaxes.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:19 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 05 January 2014 - 02:44 AM, said:

There will never be credible witnesses!  What would make them credible, being a president, an astronaut, NORAD, military law enforcement,  forget that.

Evidence for hackers, I think not, not all files are kept online.

Massive cover up like conspiracy theorists would say, not really, since even the players don't know the whole game or who the other players are. Very few if any would know the all the implications of all the different UFO types people witness, natural causes and  otherwise. I'd  venture to say that those who know enough also know it is best to leave it as mysterious things or hoaxes.

A credible witness would have some proof not hearsay evidence,files like Snowden revealed for example.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 08:54 AM

We get these big brouhahas about this or that spying revelation -- there have been several in the last year -- that supposedly tell us all the secrets, but nothing concrete or specific ever seems to come from them.

I read a lot of the "revelations" from the last go-round, and all it seemed to be were papers from American diplomats stating the US position and reasons for them.  What is so damn damaging about that?

Now we know that the States has electronic data-collecting efforts going on.  Didn't we already know that?  I sometimes wonder if these guys who risk their necks to "reveal" these secrets aren't being used and the real secrets remain.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:09 AM

View PostWhite Unicorn, on 05 January 2014 - 02:44 AM, said:

There will never be credible witnesses!  What would make them credible, being a president, an astronaut, NORAD, military law enforcement,  forget that.

Evidence for hackers, I think not, not all files are kept online.

Massive cover up like conspiracy theorists would say, not really, since even the players don't know the whole game or who the other players are. Very few if any would know the all the implications of all the different UFO types people witness, natural causes and  otherwise. I'd  venture to say that those who know enough also know it is best to leave it as mysterious things or hoaxes.

Even if a UFO did appear on someone's front lawn they would only claim it was the military.

If NASA admitted the phenomena someone could just claim it was more misinformation.

There are ready made answers for everything.

Skepticism is a condition that cannot be satisfied.  That's obvious.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:52 PM

its funny how

View Postzoser, on 05 January 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Even if a UFO did appear on someone's front lawn they would only claim it was the military.

If NASA admitted the phenomena someone could just claim it was more misinformation.

There are ready made answers for everything.

Skepticism is a condition that cannot be satisfied.  That's obvious.

Actually i have heard that before..

`even if a craft landed on the whitehouse lawn you would say fake`..


actually no i wouldnt, i would only say fake if a clear dummy came out and it was a prank show, if i saw an alien being walk out, of course i would say `great we have proof`

i am not a skeptic, im a believer, honestly.....

but after years of following the `ufo industry` i am extremely skeptical and dis-enchanted with 90 per cent of it


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 01:06 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 January 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Even if a UFO did appear on someone's front lawn they would only claim it was the military.

If NASA admitted the phenomena someone could just claim it was more misinformation.

There are ready made answers for everything.

Skepticism is a condition that cannot be satisfied.  That's obvious.

Scepticism can be satisfied just as science can be satisfied and draw conclusions based on available evidence. All that need be presented is 'good evidence' and you will change every sceptic's opinion. The frustrating thing for most believers is the fact that sceptics (just as scientists) will not accept anecdotes as 'good' evidence and the vast majority of the evidence put foward in these cases is anecdotal. The evidence that is not anecdotal is at best ambiguous, and in most cases ambiguity is the only thing that stands between a paranormal claim and a mundane explanation.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 03:34 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 January 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Even if a UFO did appear on someone's front lawn they would only claim it was the military.

If NASA admitted the phenomena someone could just claim it was more misinformation.

There are ready made answers for everything.

Skepticism is a condition that cannot be satisfied.  That's obvious.

A UFO or an alien space craft?  They are not synonyms.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 04:57 PM

That is true.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 05:20 PM

Maybe some people want it dead?  I actually found plenty of good information over the years, reading books, looking at videos, etc.  Just about everything that has made the public domain has supposedly been debunked, but careful analysis proves otherwise.  Truth is in the eyes of the beholder, not the government.



This is one of the most solid cases imo.  You can even see the beings that are piloting the craft.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 05:57 PM

View Postzoser, on 05 January 2014 - 09:09 AM, said:

Even if a UFO did appear on someone's front lawn they would only claim it was the military.

If NASA admitted the phenomena someone could just claim it was more misinformation.

There are ready made answers for everything.

Skepticism is a condition that cannot be satisfied.  That's obvious.
While zoser could find a rock in his backyard and declare aliens made it.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:20 PM

View PostKillTime74, on 05 January 2014 - 05:20 PM, said:

This is one of the most solid cases imo.  You can even see the beings that are piloting the craft.

Solid case eh? :lol:   It was the top of a cruise ship, with luck you may have seen some crew  :tu:

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:46 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 January 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

Solid case eh? :lol:   It was the top of a cruise ship, with luck you may have seen some crew  :tu:

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Thats a pretty good match.  Wow!  The people taking the video must have been fooled.  I certainly was.  Its not everyday you see aliens flying a saucer.


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 06:52 PM

View PostKillTime74, on 05 January 2014 - 06:46 PM, said:

Thats a pretty good match.  Wow!  The people taking the video must have been fooled.  I certainly was.  Its not everyday you see aliens flying a saucer.


Ha, well done for not trying to insist it was a ufo as some would - and then arguing for a few pages!!  :tu:    Theres more debunks with images and vids here

https://www.google.c...tHOGt7Qb6-IGQCA

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:00 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 January 2014 - 06:52 PM, said:

Ha, well done for not trying to insist it was a ufo as some would - and then arguing for a few pages!!  :tu: Theres more debunks with images and vids here

https://www.google.c...tHOGt7Qb6-IGQCA

Well to be honest I haven't looked much into it.  I saw the video on youtube, it seemed convincing enough and I believed it.  Then I posted it here.  If the debunking was sketchy, believe me I wouldnt give up so easy.  :)


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Posted 05 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

View Postseeder, on 05 January 2014 - 06:20 PM, said:

Solid case eh? :lol:   It was the top of a cruise ship, with luck you may have seen some crew  :tu:

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Well, to be honest, people who would choose to vacation that way are alien to me.  :)





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