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#1    seeder

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:18 AM

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"While searching for something interesting to watch, I stumbled across a program called Unsealed: Alien Files and my only comment is, "Seriously?"

This is one of the reasons that we have trouble getting science and journalism to take UFO reports seriously. It is one of the reasons that so many people have so little time for UFOs or who believe those seeing UFOs are deluded. This program, in the guise of a documentary, was filled with every half-baked idea, every conspiracy theory associated with UFOs, and every lousy piece of evidence available. It was horrendous.

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http://kevinrandle.b...-seriously.html

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:28 AM

Well, according to some, it's a disinformation tactic to make the People think that there is nothing to the whole subject and it's all nothing but a load of half-baked nonsense and that's why Governments make a big thing of releasing their "UFO Files". And that Nick Pope was solely responsible for handling UFO reports at the MOD, and no one else took any interest at all.

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 08:30 AM

Another selected paragraph for those who wont or cant read the whole page

There really isn’t much to say about this series. It is based on paranoia, the lies of some people who claim intimate knowledge of these clandestine events, and every rumor that has ever been spread inside the UFO community. This is the sort of thing that I have fought for a long time.

People claiming military records and credentials who don’t have them, stories that can be checked through documentation such as the Foo Fighter incident centered around the USS New York that don’t check out, and the other nonsense that circulates through the Internet. If we are ever going to learn the truth here, we must clear away the nonsense around us. Unsealed: Alien Files just piles it deeper and deeper and makes the job harder and harder. We really don’t need this.

Now I dont know which exact show in the series he mentions but heres another one




These damned aliens must be  everywhere, and all the time too :lol:

Edited by seeder, 11 January 2014 - 08:38 AM.

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:05 AM

What was the Foo fighter incident involving the USS New York, then?

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:20 AM

View PostColonel Rhubarb, on 11 January 2014 - 09:05 AM, said:

What was the Foo fighter incident involving the USS New York, then?

http://kevinrandle.b...s-new-york.html

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:29 AM

One of the comments make a fair point; this was, it says in the story, about one o'clock in the Afternoon. Would Venus be visible at one o'clock in the afternoon? have you ever seen it or any star during the daytime ? Surely there's a flaw with that explanation right there.

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- Philip K. Dick.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 09:42 AM

Any alien themed TV show where the voice over as a voice like a bloke eating coal dust is good enough for me :tu:

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:49 AM

There has always been a crank section of the ufo community but it seems to me that the internet has unleashed so much rubbish that there are now thousands of gullible idiots believing virtually anything,usually without a scrap of evidence.I agree with Kevin Randle,people like this are killing ufology


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:51 AM

View PostColonel Rhubarb, on 11 January 2014 - 08:28 AM, said:

Well, according to some, it's a disinformation tactic to make the People think that there is nothing to the whole subject and it's all nothing but a load of half-baked nonsense and that's why Governments make a big thing of releasing their "UFO Files". And that Nick Pope was solely responsible for handling UFO reports at the MOD, and no one else took any interest at all.
Yes, it's always win-win for the alienz believers.  If they put a decent team on, it would be because they are taking it seriously.  If they put someone gullible and inexperienced (a special hi to Nick Pope) on, they were hiding the real team..  If they ignored it completely, they were hiding the real team...  If they release the files, they were keeping back the important ones.  If they didn't..... well, we all (esp. the Colonel) know the routine.   Everything is a disinformation tactic, right Colonel?

Colonel, just curious, which case is THE ONE for you?  The best one, the one that proves beyond any reasonable doubt, the one with genuine real evidence?   Or has the lucky old government always been at the right place or the right time to grab all the really cool stuff?

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 10:54 AM

View PostColonel Rhubarb, on 11 January 2014 - 09:29 AM, said:

One of the comments make a fair point; this was, it says in the story, about one o'clock in the Afternoon. Would Venus be visible at one o'clock in the afternoon? have you ever seen it or any star during the daytime ? Surely there's a flaw with that explanation right there.

Dependent on date, and Observing conditions, then Venus is certainly visible in the afternoon.

Example: http://www.fourmilab.../venus_daytime/


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 11:34 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 11 January 2014 - 10:54 AM, said:

Dependent on date, and Observing conditions, then Venus is certainly visible in the afternoon.

Example: http://www.fourmilab.../venus_daytime/

Yes, indeed, I've found it up there even near midday and close to the Sun..  But it would be fair to say it doesn't leap out at you as it isn't much brighter than the blue sky - and if the Sun is in your field of view, then it is very difficult to spot..  Really the Sun needs to be close to the horizon before it starts to jump out of the sky like a UFO...

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:16 PM

Yea Venus is occasionally visible during the day in North East Scotland around that time and a bit later, sometimes dim, sometimes as bright as aircraft lights which pass in line heading to Dyce Airport.


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Posted 11 January 2014 - 12:40 PM

I saw an episode of this show...I thought it was pretty silly. IMO it's right up there with 'Finding Bigfoot' and 'Ghost Hunters' on the silly scale.

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 01:23 PM

View Postdr no, on 11 January 2014 - 10:49 AM, said:

There has always been a crank section of the ufo community but it seems to me that the internet has unleashed so much rubbish that there are now thousands of gullible idiots believing virtually anything,usually without a scrap of evidence.I agree with Kevin Randle,people like this are killing ufology

No doubt.

Edited by DBunker, 11 January 2014 - 01:31 PM.

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Posted 11 January 2014 - 02:30 PM

View PostChrLzs, on 11 January 2014 - 10:51 AM, said:

Yes, it's always win-win for the alienz believers.  If they put a decent team on, it would be because they are taking it seriously.  If they put someone gullible and inexperienced (a special hi to Nick Pope) on, they were hiding the real team..  If they ignored it completely, they were hiding the real team...  If they release the files, they were keeping back the important ones.  If they didn't..... well, we all (esp. the Colonel) know the routine.   Everything is a disinformation tactic, right Colonel?

Colonel, just curious, which case is THE ONE for you?  The best one, the one that proves beyond any reasonable doubt, the one with genuine real evidence?   Or has the lucky old government always been at the right place or the right time to grab all the really cool stuff?
oh for pity's sake, please stop assuming I'm some loony believer, just because I don't automatically reach for the hosepipe to pour cold water on everything that anyone ever mentions. And for heavens sake, if you were look in the Conspiracies & Secret Societies section, surely you'd realise that I don't believe in 98% of these conspiracy theories and so on. Have you ever thought that I might be being tongue in cheek sometimes?

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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