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#1    keithisco

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Posted 13 January 2014 - 09:53 PM

This appalls me, the older brother (lets refer to him as Brother Courageous) sends his younger sister out with a Suicide Vest. This Brother is a complete coward, his own Religion will not reward him for his cowardice...

Please, please, read the entire article (it is not very long), and understand the depths of depravity that some (by no means all) Islamic adherents will resort to..

LINK: http://www.bbc.co.uk...gazine-25711953


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Posted 13 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

The small girl was very sensible and brave not to listen to her older brother,and give herself up to the authorities, I hope she has no siblings younger that her brother can influence to commit suicide.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 03:27 AM

View Postspud the mackem, on 13 January 2014 - 10:56 PM, said:

The small girl was very sensible and brave not to listen to her older brother,and give herself up to the authorities, I hope she has no siblings younger that her brother can influence to commit suicide.
According to the article there are 3 girls younger than her in that family

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 10:36 AM

People under poverty, not even the basic needs are met, who has been in wars for years, with few or no education, nothing left to lose, for years the place should be like an asylum. We are all responsible for it.  Btw, there is no word of islam or muslim in any place in the article. It was your touch I suppose to help better the situation. Lets cross our fingers and hope that your help reached them.

oh, I see, you were just afraid for yourself not for the girl or anybody there? Silly me! :D

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 02:38 PM

Im not really shocked.  The Vietnamese used this tactic and if we were invaded, wed use the same thing.  We teach our children about the Constitution, the Revolution, and the reason to defend this nation.  We train them to use and respect firearms.  It just highlights that in war, there are no non combatants.

Whats interesting is that final paragraph:

"The Taliban have rejected all the allegations, calling them 'part of the usual propaganda campaign to defame them'. And they regard the appointment of children, especially girls, in their ranks as wrong."

In Islam, it is always someone elses fault.

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 04:22 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 14 January 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:



In Islam, it is always someone else's fault.

LOL. :D

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 01:51 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 14 January 2014 - 02:38 PM, said:

In Islam, it is always someone else's fault.
How much you know about Islam?

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:55 PM

View Postjeem, on 24 January 2014 - 01:51 PM, said:

How much you know about Islam?
jeem one need NOT be an Islamic scholar to understand the hatred that is regularly expressed on the tube.  The evidence of it is everywhere and no words in any forum can make a sane person doubt their senses.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:17 PM

You are saying that a person should be insane not to find islam full of hatred? A person is either crazy or full of hate to be a muslim? Then I must say this is 'your' personal view only and I also think at least the members and the moderators of this forum think exactly like me since your post is not  found against forum rules, is not seen as a hate propaganda against islam and is allowed to stay here.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:05 PM

Thrya...

The big three religions all have history filled with hate, intolerance and bloodshed.

Joshua was commanded to destroy everything in his march to the Promised land...man, woman, child, livestock... everything.

Christians not only have the Crusades to look back on...the Inquisition was pretty nasty as well.

And then we come to the youngest of the big three...Islam...which is filled with intolerance and death to those that will not convert...

The most head scratching part of it all is the big three acknowledge it is the same God as creator...they fight and kill over how to worship and pay homage to it...insanity in my opinion.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:52 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 24 January 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Thrya...

The big three religions all have history filled with hate, intolerance and bloodshed.

Joshua was commanded to destroy everything in his march to the Promised land...man, woman, child, livestock... everything.

Christians not only have the Crusades to look back on...the Inquisition was pretty nasty as well.

And then we come to the youngest of the big three...Islam...which is filled with intolerance and death to those that will not convert...

The most head scratching part of it all is the big three acknowledge it is the same God as creator...they fight and kill over how to worship and pay homage to it...insanity in my opinion.

Humans have history of violance, hate, intolerance, using and twisting everything for their own 'good'.  Those people who make anti-muslim propaganda (saying they are insane or full of hate) are not nonreligious people. If they were I would understand them better. Just check the crime rates among non religious to see if there is going to be any diference in the world if there were no religions. Until the human is not enlightened on individual level, nothing changes. Wrong exercise of authority is also what brings the society's doom. It was US that trained usame bin ladin for its own 'good' for example. What is it to a muslim in africa if an extremist political movement is calling themselves muslims in far east? In the political arena it is the big players and those authorites in that arena should ask themselves how they 'trained' those extrimists political movements.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:39 PM

View Postthyra, on 24 January 2014 - 09:52 PM, said:

Humans have history of violance, hate, intolerance, using and twisting everything for their own 'good'.  Those people who make anti-muslim propaganda (saying they are insane or full of hate) are not nonreligious people. If they were I would understand them better. Just check the crime rates among non religious to see if there is going to be any diference in the world if there were no religions. Until the human is not enlightened on individual level, nothing changes. Wrong exercise of authority is also what brings the society's doom. It was US that trained usame bin ladin for its own 'good' for example. What is it to a muslim in africa if an extremist political movement is calling themselves muslims in far east? In the political arena it is the big players and those authorites in that arena should ask themselves how they 'trained' those extrimists political movements.
I use the English language with reasonable - even above average skill.  Those who twist what I say are many when it comes to this topic.  I stated that the television is full of incidents where angry people who self identify as Muslim are shouting hatred and chanting about destruction on their enemies.  Thyra do you deny that?  It is NOT an indictment of every Muslim, it is an indictment of the hatred in the texts that are used to incite the behavior.  And the tired old argument where one need go back HUNDREDS of years to drag Christianity or Judaism into the "we're all the same" boat is impotent at best.  ALL humans are violent in their nature.  Always have been - it is our NATURE.  But what we are experiencing in the 21st century - around the globe - is not a network of Judeo - Christian gangs doing murder and mayhem and shouting Christ or Messhiach is greatest!  You have no valid argument so you twist what I say.  The truth is what it is and it is inconvenient for those it shames.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:34 PM

I dont know which channel you are tuned into. I watch cnn and bbc I didnt see what you describe. Your channels probably the ones with heavy political agenda and planning some 'good'. As I said above check your authority and see how you are being trained against islam and about muslims. Because it is WRONG. Individuals dont care if you convert or not. What you are shown might be a political movement pushed to extremes by some authority. If you are on a channel with heavy politics you  cant remain sane for too long. This is true for muslim or christian party, is not bound with religion. Because extremist politics uses and abuses religion. Even through cnn and bbc(they  are getting better though) Your mind is conditioned to think all bombs are suicide bombs and suiciders are muslim. You will say this right away when you hear about an explosion even when word muslim isnt stated anywhere.. What an advantage for some 'agencies'
To make it short, I think you personally have some political agenda instead of  a relation with theology which you should have first if topic is islam. Also it is a rather low level of discussion when people begin to say 'muslims are this or that full of hatred etc'.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:29 AM

View Postthyra, on 24 January 2014 - 11:34 PM, said:

I dont know which channel you are tuned into. I watch cnn and bbc I didnt see what you describe. Your channels probably the ones with heavy political agenda and planning some 'good'. As I said above check your authority and see how you are being trained against islam and about muslims. Because it is WRONG. Individuals dont care if you convert or not. What you are shown might be a political movement pushed to extremes by some authority. If you are on a channel with heavy politics you  cant remain sane for too long. This is true for muslim or christian party, is not bound with religion. Because extremist politics uses and abuses religion. Even through cnn and bbc(they  are getting better though) Your mind is conditioned to think all bombs are suicide bombs and suiciders are muslim. You will say this right away when you hear about an explosion even when word muslim isnt stated anywhere.. What an advantage for some 'agencies'
To make it short, I think you personally have some political agenda instead of  a relation with theology which you should have first if topic is islam. Also it is a rather low level of discussion when people begin to say 'muslims are this or that full of hatred etc'.
I agree it IS a low level of discussion - WHERE did I SAY that?  Cite it please - verbatim.

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Posted 25 January 2014 - 12:54 AM

What now? You want me to prove to you that you like muslims? When have you last cared about not using 'us'vs'them' rhetoric? When have you last stop yourself saying 'they' as if whole muslims on earth are one thing with exact same ill thoughts? When have you last managed to feel at least natural to the word 'islam'.

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