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#1    bendigger0

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 04:22 PM

It is suggested, in certain quarters, that the phenomenon we call TIME is illusory.  Furthermore, it is pronounced by residents of those certain quarters, that Past, Present and Future exist simultaneously.  Yet, it is also suggested that the Future is not 'set in stone', as it were.  That the Future is plastic, malleable and precisely indeterminate.  Now, if Past, Present and Future are concurrent, and Future is seen as somewhat indeterminate.  Then, aren't Past and Present also malleable and not 'fixed'?  This line of thought can lead to some startling conclusions.  What is Time?  Speculate freely.  Eschew your petty naysaying wit.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:54 PM

The many world's theory comes to mind...make's sense if you really think about it.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 06:59 PM

people believe that, people have time travelled to and from the future, and back to the past and from the past...back and forth on numerous occasions...
if this is true, then what year are we really in

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:19 PM

Well since pope gregory changed the Julian calender in 1582,knowing what is the "Real" date is might be kinda tricky.

http://en.m.wikipedi...gorian_calendar

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 07:35 PM

I have heard it explained that the Creator God is "outside" of time and can see all three simultaneously.  As such, the prophecies we read are events which have already occurred from his POV and thus why a TRUE prophet MUST be accurate 100% of the time.

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 08:04 PM

Wow, that's something awesome to think about :o

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 08:15 PM

Here we view time as linear; doesn't mean it is linear.  We're constrained by the 3rd dimension and it's laws.


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Posted 19 January 2014 - 08:49 PM

Time is an effect of the ongoing expansion process of the universe. Events in the past, the present and the future do not exist/happen simultaneously for an individual observer. References to events in the past are subject to the laws of Entropy and will vanish and cannot
be observed anymore. The future is always based on past events but just can be observed at a time where this particular future is past already. Strictly speaking, the so called present does not exist and cannot exist as there is no steady state event possible that wasn´t influenced by past events and will not influence future events. So the present is a kind of singularity and subject to Heisenbergs uncertainty principle also, during description.
  

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Posted 21 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

Time is not a medium for travel. There is only the eternal present.


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Posted 21 January 2014 - 09:58 PM

Was there a time before time itself existed?  Does time have a beginning?  Does it have an end?  Does it even have a middle?  

Maybe time is pure energy that can neither be created nor destroyed.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:32 AM

This is  one of those unanswerable, as of now,  (lol)  questions.    I think there is only now, no matter how brief now is.   Things happen at their own pace and we measure those changes with  "time".

(if the future already exists.. then  everything  that happens, no matter how random,  is predetermined .  I can't accept that...)

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:28 AM

perhaps past-present-future do not exist simultaneously for a subjective observer.  For a theoretical OBJECTIVE observer past-present-future may appear to exist simultaneously.  Perhaps the noted accelerating Universal expansion is an artifact of the continually widening sphere of probable/possible futures.  It is suggested that within the framework of a greater Reality, that time and space are illusory... strictures of our material existence.  There is no past-present-future in the spiritual world.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 10:14 AM

is destiny already written?

Edited by SkeptcByMindBelievrByHeart, 22 January 2014 - 10:15 AM.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:14 AM

View PostSkeptcByMindBelievrByHeart, on 22 January 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

is destiny already written?

No.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 08:05 PM

View PostSkeptcByMindBelievrByHeart, on 22 January 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

is destiny already written?
good question... it seems that what one would call 'destiny', is a spectrum of probabilities.  Some suggest that every conceivable probability is indeed actualized in some portion of the causal phenomenon we blithely call the Universe.  Considering a more local chain-of-events... my speculation is that destiny maybe like a coalescing crystal.  The indications of it's forming are there, the conditions are right... an objective observer may be able to forecast it's likely progression.  Is destiny already written?  Only if past-present-future are simultaneous, which would mean that time/space is illusory.  It's fun to think about.






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