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Psychology of a “Non-Conspiracy Theorist"


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#31    Frank Merton

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 01:57 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 22 January 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

For people too admit that conspiracy, they have to shed nearly every political belief they ever had.
That is because the idea is so outrageously ridiculous.


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Posted 22 January 2014 - 02:05 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 22 January 2014 - 01:57 PM, said:

That is because the idea is so outrageously ridiculous.

Only for folks who have no sence of history. Most would have said the same about the gulf of tonkin. Yet we did in fact destroy our own ship to kick off nam.

Some things are true, even if you dont believe them.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 12:53 PM

Most conspiracies  go undetected or are dismissed as   conspiracy theories .

Important:  The above may contain errors, inaccuracies, omissions, and other limitations.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 01:04 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 22 January 2014 - 08:09 AM, said:

Conspiracies happen; that is not the issue, and as a general rule they always come to light as governments are very poor at keeping political secrets.  There are those who see conspiracies everywhere and in places where the official story makes far more sense.

Ah, but that IS the issue.  Some people act and speak as though conspiracies simply 'do not happen'.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 03:51 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 27 January 2014 - 01:04 PM, said:

Ah, but that IS the issue.  Some people act and speak as though conspiracies simply 'do not happen'.

People know conspiracies happen.  We all know that.  Some of us like to see FACTS.  Not some book written saying what COULD have happened.  And then you have the absolute ridiculousness from conspiracy theorists.  "Look!  All of the dead Sandy Hook kids were at centerfield of an NFL game 2 weeks later!"  How someone could be dumb enough to believe that to be true is beyond me. Those people on your side definitely don't help your arguments.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:07 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 22 January 2014 - 01:41 PM, said:

Flawless?? 9/11 was a easy to see through mess from the start. Its just to big for some to mentaly handle, and their brains go into self defense. For people too admit that conspiracy, they have to shed nearly every political belief they ever had.
As an engineer, I find that to accept any of the 911 conspiracy theories, and there are quite a few mutually contradictory ones out there, I would have to shed much of my understanding of engineering.  This understanding has enabled me to earn a living for forty years in a field where getting it wrong puts lives at risk.  No contest.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:24 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 27 January 2014 - 03:51 PM, said:



People know conspiracies happen.  We all know that.  Some of us like to see FACTS.  Not some book written saying what COULD have happened.  And then you have the absolute ridiculousness from conspiracy theorists.  "Look!  All of the dead Sandy Hook kids were at centerfield of an NFL game 2 weeks later!"  How someone could be dumb enough to believe that to be true is beyond me. Those people on your side definitely don't help your arguments.

This is the exact attitude spoken about in the opening post. "That can't be true, you stupid conspiracy theorists!" With nothing to back up you statement. The children singing at the superbowl were exact matches to those "killed" except everyone of them was a few years older. You might think that its more likely that all the victims had doppelgangers, or that everyone had an older siblings of the same sex. But one things certain,  you didn't even look at the evidence.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:37 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 27 January 2014 - 06:24 PM, said:

This is the exact attitude spoken about in the opening post. "That can't be true, you stupid conspiracy theorists!" With nothing to back up you statement. The children singing at the superbowl were exact matches to those "killed" except everyone of them was a few years older. You might think that its more likely that all the victims had doppelgangers, or that everyone had an older siblings of the same sex. But one things certain,  you didn't even look at the evidence.

You are absolutely hilarious!  Man, it is people like you that make everyday an adventure.

"Congratulations gentleman, we just pulled off an amazing conspiracy"
"Are you kidding me Jones?!?!  You just put them on national television?!?!"

Show me the EXACT matches that you claim.  They were "a few years older" ?  Sandy Hook wasn't even a few years ago!  Seriously, take a deep breath.  Sit back and think about what you are saying.  I mean, really dissect the sitiuation.

Edited by Agent0range, 27 January 2014 - 06:38 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:41 PM

Why would any agency capable of pulling off a "fake" mass shooting then have all those supposedly then dead kids at a large televized event? It is illogical and pointless. Its ideas like this that make dismissing conspiracy theorists so simple. There is no earthly reason for that to happen.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 06:51 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 27 January 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:



You are absolutely hilarious!  Man, it is people like you that make everyday an adventure.

"Congratulations gentleman, we just pulled off an amazing conspiracy"
"Are you kidding me Jones?!?!  You just put them on national television?!?!"

Show me the EXACT matches that you claim.  They were "a few years older" ?  Sandy Hook wasn't even a few years ago!  Seriously, take a deep breath.  Sit back and think about what you are saying.  I mean, really dissect the sitiuation.

So what you are saying (without looking at any evidence) is "that is so unbelievable that, even if it happened,  I won't believe it"


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:01 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 27 January 2014 - 06:51 PM, said:

So what you are saying (without looking at any evidence) is "that is so unbelievable that, even if it happened,  I won't believe it"

There is no evidence!  To say kids look alike just a few years older is nowhere near evidence.  None.  Nada.  Have you ever been in an elementary school?  When I go pick my son up, all the kids look alike.  So no, you can't provide ANY evidence aside from you saying that 7 year old looks like this picture of a 4 year old.

Just like every other thread in this section, the conspiracy theorists can't get together on the facts.  That is another reason why you are so easily discounted.  You ask five different CTers what happened at Sandy Hook...you get five different stories.  There are Sandy Hook CTers that will say you are crazy for thinking those were the kids at the Super Bowl.  And that, is why no one takes you people seriously.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:12 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 27 January 2014 - 07:01 PM, said:

There is no evidence!  To say kids look alike just a few years older is nowhere near evidence.  None.  Nada.  Have you ever been in an elementary school?  When I go pick my son up, all the kids look alike.  So no, you can't provide ANY evidence aside from you saying that 7 year old looks like this picture of a 4 year old.

Just like every other thread in this section, the conspiracy theorists can't get together on the facts.  That is another reason why you are so easily discounted.  You ask five different CTers what happened at Sandy Hook...you get five different stories.  There are Sandy Hook CTers that will say you are crazy for thinking those were the kids at the Super Bowl.  And that, is why no one takes you people seriously.

Here is a quick one for you to go over.



At least half a dozen are exact matches. The ones that stand out for me are; Walker Previdi, Nate Wheeler, Jake Hockley and Josephine Gay.

Edited by Professor Buzzkill, 27 January 2014 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 27 January 2014 - 07:56 PM

And what the hell would be the point of doing something so pointlessly silly? this is exactly the problem; it's not just whether these alleged plots are remotely in any way practicable, no one ever explains what the thinking might be behind them. is it just the NWO (and/or UN, or whoever else wants to Take Away America's Guns) subtly letting everyone know, in order to let people know that they've pulled a trick on them, and so showing how clever they are?
The sheer bizarre ingenuity of those who come up with these videos really does make one wonder.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:08 PM

View PostProfessor Buzzkill, on 27 January 2014 - 07:12 PM, said:

Here is a quick one for you to go over.



At least half a dozen are exact matches. The ones that stand out for me are; Walker Previdi, Nate Wheeler, Jake Hockley and Josephine Gay.

"Exact" only for wide values of exactness.  The video shows the power of suggestion.  Most of those kids you wouldn't think look like the others or at best only similar until the idea is put out that they somehow look "exact".  Only then do you look more for the similarities and ignore the differences.  It is the same thing with those claiming they can hear voices in white noise.  Have someone listen to it and ask them if they hear anything and it is just noise.  Tell them they should hear a particular word or phrase and suddenly "oh yeah, it sounds exactly like that".

And then of course there is the point that even if they do look similar, so what?  They are NOT the same age and NOT the same kids.  It proves nothing.

Walker Previdi?  The hair is a different color and the head, ears, and nose are different shapes.  Nate Wheeler?  Hair again.  Ears at least similar this time but nose and chin are different.  Jake Hockley?  Eyes, nose and chin all different.  Josephine Gay?  OMG! They both wear glasses!  Too bad their hair (not just the color but the type, the singer has thinner, straighter hair) ears and chin are different.  Those stand out to you?  Did you actually look at them or just take the video's word for it?  As mentioned before, lots of kids tend to look similar but these supposed matches would fool nobody that actually knew them.  I could look through old school pictures from when I was in elementary school (early 80's) and probably find better matches but that wouldn't prove the victims were pulled through a time warp 30 years into the future from a suburb of Chicago. It just shows that kids look similar.

Edited by frenat, 27 January 2014 - 08:20 PM.

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Posted 27 January 2014 - 08:47 PM

Again for what purpose? If you are the head of some shadow agency that just pulled off a large scale piece of fakery why would you then use those supposedly dead kids for a large public event? That makes zero sense.

Edited by darkmoonlady, 27 January 2014 - 08:48 PM.

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