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#1    davros of skaro

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 03:51 AM

On February 4th, 2014, Bill Nye ("The Science Guy") has agreed to debate Ken Ham, president of Answers In Genesis and The Creation Museum. The debate will take place on Ham's home turf, at The Creation Museum, and the 800 available tickets sold out almost immediately.

This event raises the larger question: Should scientists agree to these types of debates?

Some (like Richard Dawkins) say "no," as it would be akin to an obstetrician debating a proponent of the "stork theory" of reproduction. Others insist that the debate is not only appropriate, but necessary.

Joining us in this discussion are Matt Dillahunty, Dr. Richard Carrier, Greta Christina, David Silverman, Ed Hensley and AronRa.

Articles:

RDFRS: Why Bill Nye Shouldn't Debate Ken Ham
http://www.richarddawkins.net/foundat...

AHA: WHY THE BILL NYE-KEN HAM DEBATE IS A GOOD THING
http://americanhumanist.org/HNN/detai...

AHA: BILL NYE SHARING THE STAGE WITH KEN HAM IS A MISTAKE
http://americanhumanist.org/HNN/detai...

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 04:25 AM

Creationists have no rules, their dishonesty stops nowhere.  Yep... that's a fair, objective statement  :)  These kinds of debates ARE useless.  Faith and science by their nature cannot satisfy each other's requirements.  Seems silly to argue over such things.  I'm a person of faith and have no problem with evolutionary concepts - at least natural selection.  But I have never heard science explain how life began.  I easily could have missed it though - when it comes to the science of evolution I'm as dumb as dirt.  My life - like everyone else's will end someday.  I have faith and hope about what that means and I have no fear as it approaches - in fact I'm quite hopeful.  I don't see a similar degree of hope in the Atheist.  The comfort that annihilation will take care of them is about the best I've heard from them.  If that is enough then okay - but I expect a lot more :w00t:
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Posted 22 January 2014 - 04:42 AM

It should be entertaining if nothing else.



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:49 AM

I feel, science and creationism have no business as bed partners. They can't mate. It is impossible
And so neither can prove to the other how good they are.

Edited by QuiteContrary, 22 January 2014 - 05:52 AM.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:14 AM

Science and religion could marry in my opinion. But the creationism would have to be revised as evolution as the tool for creationism. Taking the knowledge base God had to work with, with the early judaists he simply gave them an over simplified version of creation. That's my penny for what its worth.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:16 AM

Fuzzy about Evolution? Here is a condensed crash course.





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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:17 AM

I should note though that I am agnostic and I am Buddhist by philosophy. So maybe my opinion is invalid. I am orthodox when it comes to the scientific method though :)

Edited by Aus Der Box Skeptisch, 22 January 2014 - 06:36 AM.

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 06:50 AM

Fuzzy about Creationism? Here is a Creationism crash course (up to interpretation.)





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Posted 01 February 2014 - 12:52 AM

I think it is essential to show how deluded people like Ken Ham are about the natural world. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. To deny this shows willful ignorance in this day and age. Dinosaurs 6,000 years ago in the garden of Eden? Please


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 01:25 AM

View Postspacecowboy342, on 01 February 2014 - 12:52 AM, said:

I think it is essential to show how deluded people like Ken Ham are about the natural world. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. To deny this shows willful ignorance in this day and age. Dinosaurs 6,000 years ago in the garden of Eden? Please

For me the evidence for Evolution, is the same evidence of what vital importance it is for what we leave behind for future generations, and our responsibility for this Planet.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:27 AM

View Postand then, on 22 January 2014 - 04:25 AM, said:

Creationists have no rules, their dishonesty stops nowhere.  Yep... that's a fair, objective statement  :)  These kinds of debates ARE useless.  Faith and science by their nature cannot satisfy each other's requirements.  Seems silly to argue over such things.  I'm a person of faith and have no problem with evolutionary concepts - at least natural selection.  But I have never heard science explain how life began.  I easily could have missed it though - when it comes to the science of evolution I'm as dumb as dirt.  My life - like everyone else's will end someday.  I have faith and hope about what that means and I have no fear as it approaches - in fact I'm quite hopeful.  I don't see a similar degree of hope in the Atheist.  The comfort that annihilation will take care of them is about the best I've heard from them.  If that is enough then okay - but I expect a lot more :w00t:
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At least you understand that there is a difference between evolution and the origin of life. Evolution is just about what happened after life started. How that spark of life got started is an open question. That it evolved into all the species we see today is not'


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 03:55 AM

I absolutely think you should debate these types, even if they stack the deck in their favour. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and it was before the field of genetics, which absolutely clinches it. The intellectual dishonesty of creationist should be shown in the light of day. It's not going to convince the die hard creationists, of course, but there are plenty of people who need to see that there's a reason why evolutionary biologists don't accept creationism - it raises way more questions than it answers. One clear conclusion we can draw is that if creationism is true, it was deliberately made to look like evolution.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 04:12 AM

View PostAlmagest, on 01 February 2014 - 03:55 AM, said:

I absolutely think you should debate these types, even if they stack the deck in their favour. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, and it was before the field of genetics, which absolutely clinches it. The intellectual dishonesty of creationist should be shown in the light of day. It's not going to convince the die hard creationists, of course, but there are plenty of people who need to see that there's a reason why evolutionary biologists don't accept creationism - it raises way more questions than it answers. One clear conclusion we can draw is that if creationism is true, it was deliberately made to look like evolution.
I agree. It's funny because, as you say, the evidence for evolution was overwhelming before genetics, and now, with what we know in genetics, even if we had no fossils at all to look at, genetics alone proves evolution. As far as the idea that God created the world in such a way to look like evolution happened, this makes creationism completely unfalsifiable and is the best argument for keeping creationism out of school science classes.


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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:28 AM

"I don’t know where people get the idea that people rode dinosaurs. I mean, there’s no evidence in the Bible that that is so. When Job was looking at Behemoth, the description there… there’s nothing to do with people riding dinosaurs. We don’t know how people interacted with dinosaurs."

Ken Ham is the one who taught that people rode dinosaurs, he's either lying or doesn't believe his own material.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 05:28 AM

When I was a Christian, I used to listen to Greg Laurie's sermons religiously.He claimed that you have to accept the whole Bible as one without compromise.

Well, he had a point. Problem is that the editors of teh Scripture didn't expect future people to read through it.





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