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Battle of L.A. ~another UFO hoax

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#31    psyche101

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:19 AM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 24 January 2014 - 05:33 AM, said:

The one question that I never saw a solid answer for was what was it that caused the initial radar return?

I know that there isn't enough evidence for a conclusive answer but it still is an intriguing aspect of this case.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:21 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 24 January 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:

Did they have radar? Maybe it "pinged' a flock of seagulls as has happened in the past and off go the fireworks.

I can see "A flock of Seagulls" being mistaken for aliens...........



Edited by psyche101, 24 January 2014 - 06:21 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 06:41 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 24 January 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:


I'm sort of inclined towards the "mass panic" explanation.

Basically, one group shoots at something (odd looking cloud? One of the Japanese rice-paper bombs they used?)

The balloon bombs didn't start for at least a year after that (from Japanese admissions).

But yeah, mass panic or 'war nerves'. No evidence of anything else.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:32 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 24 January 2014 - 06:10 AM, said:


I'm sort of inclined towards the "mass panic" explanation.
Basically, on group shoots at something (odd looking cloud? One of the Japanese rice-paper bombs they used?) and the rest just shot at what they thought the others were shooting at, after all "noone would shoot at nothing, just because we cn't see it doesn't mean we better not shoot".

Did they have radar? Maybe it "pinged' a flock of seagulls as has happened in the past and off go the fireworks.

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The idea of Mass Panic is popular, the idea they once one of the AA crews started shooting everone else just joined in firing wildly. If you research the AA systems themselves, that actually could not have happened. These were not Guns that some "paniced" person could just point and fire. Each gun that was involved in firing the AA rounds required a crew of up to ~8 personnel all working together with various equipment to track one target. Only then with everyone tracking the same Target the information gets fed through a "director" (an early type of computer) that gives the infomation to the crew members as to where to point the gun so it can then be fired so that the shell will reach the point in the atmosphere and explode at about the same time the Target being tracked should reach that point in the atmosphere. This was all done in real time and and everything was in sync hardwired together including the searchlights. So the famous photo show that all the different AA gun crews were in fact tracking the same single Target whatever is was.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 08:12 AM

I have a feeling that this thread is going to SUCK!!

I still await the compelling Exhibit A.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 09:21 AM

Seagulls on radar + "better to be safe then sorry" then?


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 10:47 AM

View Postbendigger0, on 24 January 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

Just kidding... i know it was real...

How funny!

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:01 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 24 January 2014 - 05:18 AM, said:

You actually do look like your avatar, don't you?
Photo, isnt it.

Correct, debunking should not be limited to UFO stories only in general. Just my 2 Yuan.
Avatar-debunking. Maybe I will open a thread on. :yes: :lol:

Edited by toast, 24 January 2014 - 11:08 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

View Postbendigger0, on 24 January 2014 - 03:40 AM, said:

Maybe there's some new people that would like to make new comments?  Though i'm sure the "pages and pages of stuff you wrote" are absolutely riveting.

New people? Thats an odd thing to say,   Arent you one of them too? having joined on the 17th Jan?



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Edited by seeder, 24 January 2014 - 11:29 AM.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 11:27 AM

View Postbendigger0, on 24 January 2014 - 04:39 AM, said:

  It kinda looks like a classic "flying saucer".  

How so exactly?  Did you know this too...

A photo published in the Los Angeles Times on February 26, 1942 has been cited by modern day conspiracy theorists and UFOlogists as evidence of an extraterrestrial visitation.

They assert that the photo clearly shows searchlights focused on an alien spaceship; however, the photo was heavily modified by photo retouching prior to publication, a routine practice in graphic arts of the time intended to improve contrast in black and white photos.

Los Angeles Times writer Larry Harnish noted that the retouched photo along with faked newspaper headlines were presented as true historical material in trailers for the film Battle: Los Angeles. Harnish commented, "if the publicity campaign wanted to establish UFO research as nothing but lies and fakery, it couldn't have done a better job

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 12:43 PM

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bendigger0, on 24 January 2014 - 03:23 AM, said:

Just kidding... i know it was real...



View Posttoast, on 24 January 2014 - 10:47 AM, said:


How funny!


Not exactly "funny", more along the line of purposefully attempting to wind up others.

I highly suggest this attitude needs to stop. If we can all agree to discuss the Battle of LA and not use the thread to 'pull one another's chains' then it can stay...if not, it will be closed.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:52 PM

View PostLilly, on 24 January 2014 - 12:43 PM, said:

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Not exactly "funny",

That´s what I tried to say with my post

Edited by toast, 24 January 2014 - 02:54 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:19 PM

The Battle of LA is just like Roswell - a post hoc creation by UFO buffs.  Nobody even associated this event with alien craft until the 1980s when the Majestic 12 hoax was carried out by a group of UFOlogists.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:46 PM

A Japanese sub shelled an oil refinery about that time (with the total damage being to one dock) so that didn't do anyone any good either.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

View PostKludge808, on 24 January 2014 - 07:46 PM, said:

A Japanese sub shelled an oil refinery about that time (with the total damage being to one dock) so that didn't do anyone any good either.

Absolutely.  Pearl Harbor had just been attacked and many on the West Coast thought they were next.  You also had inexperienced gun directors and crews operating new technology that was just in its infancy.  Frankly I'm surprised they weren't blasting away every single night.

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