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#1    Jeremiah65

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 07:55 PM

http://www.foxnews.c...on-exec-orders/


From the link source...

"House Speaker John Boehner issued a stern warning to President Obama ahead of Tuesday night's State of the Union address: "We have a Constitution. We abide by it. If he tries to ignore it, he's going to run into a brick wall."

OK...not a fan of the source either...but...



What a pack of empty words.

This has been going on since he took office...


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The Repubs and Dem's have been walking all over the Constitution for ages.

Funny he wants to roar about the Constitution now....where was he when NDAA was passed? Where was he when HR347 was passed? Where was he when it came public about the spying on innocent USA citizens?  Hmm...no where to be seen...wonder why John?...could it be you personally benefitted in some way by those rights stripping bits of legislation?




Both parties use our founding documents as tools and weapons to further their own agendas...they ignore it when it suits them and they squeal like little girls when the other side uses it to their advantage.

D0uchebags...all of them...there is no two party system...the faux two parties are two wings of the same bird of prey...and we are the prey.


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Edited by Jeremiah65, 28 January 2014 - 08:27 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 08:34 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 28 January 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:


Are you and "fauxnews" trying to claim now that Executive Orders are not constitutional? Because geez, Bush and Regan had hundreds.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 08:53 PM

View Postninjadude, on 28 January 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

Are you and "fauxnews" trying to claim now that Executive Orders are not constitutional? Because geez, Bush and Regan had hundreds.

Oi vey, the whole "Reagen/Bush did it" response.... :face palm:

There is a reason we have checks and balances. So one branch of the government doesn't become too powerful. Our Founding Fathers never envisioned having a president ruling by executive orders, like some autocrat. "Absolute power, corrupts absolutely".

Also, Jeremiah, was just pointing out how the Republicans will whine and wail about the Constitution when it suits them, as in the example above, but are silent regarding the NDAA, the Patriot Act, and NSA spying on American citizens.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:03 PM

View PostKowalski, on 28 January 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Oi vey, the whole "Reagen/Bush did it" response.... :face palm:

There is a reason we have checks and balances. So one branch of the government doesn't become too powerful. Our Founding Fathers never envisioned having a president ruling by executive orders, like some autocrat. "Absolute power, corrupts absolutely".

I generally agree that we should not even have EO's. But having set the example for hundreds of years. You can hardly single out Obama has using them differently or autocratically or any other Republican silliness.

The current one raises the minimum wage for FEDERAL workers. As I understand it, almost all federal workers work for the Executive Branch of government.  This is overreach?

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:16 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 28 January 2014 - 07:55 PM, said:

The Repubs and Dem's have been walking all over the Constitution for ages.

You were right when you said this, so isn't this...

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This has been going on since he took office...


...a little redundant?

And if both sides have been trampling all over your Constitution for ages, then who is really responsible for letting that happen?

Boehner says what he says (as do many other politicians) because it misdirects the people to blame the wrong 'origin'.

Edited by Leonardo, 28 January 2014 - 09:18 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:42 PM

View PostKowalski, on 28 January 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

Our Founding Fathers never envisioned having a president ruling by executive orders, like some autocrat. "Absolute power, corrupts absolutely".
Actually, they did, which is why the Constitution exists - to basically say "we fought one tyrant*, this piece of paper gives us the right to do it again".







* King George wasn't a tyrant, incidentally, but rather a disinterested tax collector.
But lets let the analogy stand to make a point.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 09:55 PM

George Washington issued 8 executive orders so if they were unconstitutional it would seem the writers of the constitution had ample opportunity to say so.


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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:27 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 28 January 2014 - 09:16 PM, said:

You were right when you said this, so isn't this...

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...a little redundant?

And if both sides have been trampling all over your Constitution for ages, then who is really responsible for letting that happen?

Boehner says what he says (as do many other politicians) because it misdirects the people to blame the wrong 'origin'.

Yep...and your point is???

It's the fault of the low info voters who continually elect the same batch of idiots into office...in doing so, these career politicians feel empowered and untouchable...term limits may or may not fix this, but it's a great thought.

And yes...misdirection is a great tool to use on the easily distracted herds...

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 10:35 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 28 January 2014 - 10:27 PM, said:

Yep...and your point is???

It's the fault of the low info voters who continually elect the same batch of idiots into office...in doing so, these career politicians feel empowered and untouchable...term limits may or may not fix this, but it's a great thought.

And yes...misdirection is a great tool to use on the easily distracted herds...

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I appreciate you did criticise Boehner equally as much as Obama in your OP, but all the imagery (with one notable exception) was "Obama is the enemy of our Constitution".

I just think it's wrong to promote that sort of focus on one politician (and, by extension, one Party) being "the problem". I understand that was probably not your intention, and I'm not accusing you of being pro-/anti- anyone in particular. I suppose I would like to see more promotion of the divide that has opened up between 'the People' and 'the political class' to encourage more people to realise it is politics that has become the problem - not one "sides" politics.

Edited by Leonardo, 28 January 2014 - 10:36 PM.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:30 PM

In all fairness, that picture of Obama burning the Constitution could just as well be a pic of Dubya Bush...we can thank him for the Patriot act.

I hate politics...I do not think it should ever be allowed to be a lifetime career.  personally, I think it should be about the same as Jury Duty...you get called to serve your community, county, state or country.  After a term or two...you go back to whatever you did before your name was pulled out of a hat.

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Posted 28 January 2014 - 11:37 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 28 January 2014 - 11:30 PM, said:

In all fairness, that picture of Obama burning the Constitution could just as well be a pic of Dubya Bush...we can thank him for the Patriot act.

I hate politics...I do not think it should ever be allowed to be a lifetime career.  personally, I think it should be about the same as Jury Duty...you get called to serve your community, county, state or country.  After a term or two...you go back to whatever you did before your name was pulled out of a hat.

I agree entirely with your sentiments, and also possibly (I'd have to give it some thought) with your solution. :tu:

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:35 AM

I can hear John now "We have a Constitution, I saw it on my 5th grade field trip and my teacher said it had something to do with running the country or balancing your check book? I was a little unclear on that."

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 12:47 AM

With his ability to just bypass congress, with his magic pen,and using Executive Orders,he can do anything. Kinda like a Dictator...



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 03:37 AM

And having just finished watching his state of the union address,he has promissed to use his magic pen and bypass congress in changing gun laws in the wake of such tragedies as Sandy Hook.What a shocker...Not.Well let's see how long it take's before you will have no rights.Of course he said a lot of thing's. Nice thing's. Matter of fact he said the same thing's he has said before...he even promissed to close Guantanamo.... Again.When all you do is lie,all the talk is just that...Talk


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:58 AM

If congress won't do it's job what choice does he have? The country needs to be governed





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