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#1    jmccr8

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 04:51 AM

Hi,
I came across this article about the migration route through Near East,it would seem that carbon dating tests show that H.s.s may have gone to Central Asia first and then into Europe rather than passing through the Levant.

http://phys.org/news...man.html#inlRlv

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:06 PM

Well, they had to pass through the Levant on the way Asia.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:12 PM

Now, if we have a look at the map:

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Where Egypt is, is Africa, where Turkey is, is the Levant... now, how did they get to the Levant from Africa without going through the ME (there where Israel is) ?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

If I remember this correctly, there was an OOA migration theory that proposed a crossing of the Red Sea (or a proposed land bridge) at the southern end into modern-day Yemen. Then across the Arabian Peninsula (coastally), around the Persian Gulf and into central Asia. This was followed later by a westwards back-migration into the Levant/Near East and further into Europe/back into North Africa.

Edited by Leonardo, 29 January 2014 - 08:20 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:18 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levant
I hate the use of this old-fashioned term, but there it is.
The word is borrowed from the French for "rising" referring to the Eastern end of the Mediterranean.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:20 PM

At a certain point, the Mediterranean was nearly dry. Homo erectus could have walked from North Africa (the "Maghreb") to Europe and back again and probably did.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:25 PM

View PostXynoplas, on 29 January 2014 - 08:20 PM, said:

At a certain point, the Mediterranean was nearly dry.

Not in the last 5.5 - 6 million years. Well before H. erectus was on the scene.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:28 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 29 January 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

Not in the last 5.5 - 6 million years. Well before H. erectus was on the scene.

which naturally leads to more speculation, the Island in Greece I have a farm on is about 80 miles from the next terra firme... yet there was a paleolithic settlement here...

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:32 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 29 January 2014 - 08:28 PM, said:

which naturally leads to more speculation, the Island in Greece I have a farm on is about 80 miles from the next terra firme... yet there was a paleolithic settlement here...

True, but the speculation pertinent to the site you mention is what hominin species was involved and also about the debate regarding when hominins (and which) began dispersing via water-borne means.

It's not really relevant to the OP issue.

Edited by Leonardo, 29 January 2014 - 08:33 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:58 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 29 January 2014 - 08:32 PM, said:

True, but the speculation pertinent to the site you mention is what hominin species was involved and also about the debate regarding when hominins (and which) began dispersing via water-borne means.

It's not really relevant to the OP issue.

That is another speculation as just an encampment and some discarded stone tools were found, no skeletons or any other indication.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:00 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 29 January 2014 - 08:58 PM, said:

That is another speculation as just an encampment and some discarded stone tools were found, no skeletons or any other indication.

I'm curious as to why you thought my first point was speculative?

Are you suggesting a non-hominin species crafted those tools and set up the encampment?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:03 PM

View PostLeonardo, on 29 January 2014 - 09:00 PM, said:

I'm curious as to why you thought my first point was speculative?

Are you suggesting a non-hominin species crafted those tools and set up the encampment?

No, my question is the migration route used, if it was land there is not much choice but the known routes... but why are early humans appearing on a island without an obvious connection to land? Or could the explanation be that they circumvented the NE by using rafts?

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:07 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 29 January 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

No, my question is the migration route used, if it was land there is not much choice but the known routes... but why are early humans appearing on a island without an obvious connection to land? Or could the explanation be that they circumvented the NE by using rafts?

That would be why I posted about an alternate OOA theory in post #4 - concerning crossing the Red Sea at the southern end (although, as I mentioned, that theory also incorporated the possibility of a land bridge.)

I just didn't see (and still don't, tbh) any connection to a site in the Mediterranean.

Edited by Leonardo, 29 January 2014 - 09:09 PM.

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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:15 PM

Concepts of human "modernity" are completely arbitrary. So the idea "anatomical modern humans" originated in Africa is not supported by science. I don't know why articles like this continue to be written.


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Posted 29 January 2014 - 09:17 PM

View PostOliverDSmith, on 29 January 2014 - 09:15 PM, said:

Concepts of human "modernity" are completely arbitrary. So the idea "anatomical modern humans" originated in Africa is not supported by science. I don't know why articles like this continue to be written.

Could you explain that or is that just a preconception of some preacher?

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