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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:57 PM

Washington Post said:


President Obama served notice in his State of the Union address that he will be using more executive orders in the weeks and months ahead due to Congress's failure to act on his priorities.

Republicans, naturally, are crying foul, with one House member going so far as to call him a "socialist dictator" and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) labeling Obama's tenure an "imperial presidency."

In fact, though, a review of Obama's use of executive orders shows he's signed them at the lowest rate since the 19th Century. The last president to use so few executive actions was Grover Cleveland.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 07:50 PM

Quiet!  Are you trying to destroy the narrative?


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:06 PM

View Postsupervike, on 31 January 2014 - 07:50 PM, said:

Quiet!  Are you trying to destroy the narrative?

Ehm, no, just trying to see what spin those, who have no political vision except demonizing Obama (besides empty word casings), will put on this.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:14 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Ehm, no, just trying to see what spin those, who have no political vision except demonizing Obama (besides empty word casings), will put on this.

Oh, then you've come to the right place... :innocent:


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:25 PM

Cool chart- I had no idea that FDR had done so many orders!

Your ad hominem connotes your sciolism. Now that is some funny commentary.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:26 PM

While I'm not a big fan of Obama anymore this is what happens when the republicans try to throw a wrench in everything he wants to do just because he's a democrat and they are all butt hurt.  Looks like Obama isn't even close to being the president that signed the most executive orders.

I only have one thing to say to Ted Cruz.  Those that live in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones.

Edited by Hilander, 31 January 2014 - 08:28 PM.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2014 - 08:06 PM, said:

Ehm, no, just trying to see what spin those, who have no political vision except demonizing Obama (besides empty word casings), will put on this.
But isn't that a form of flame baiting?


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:30 PM

It is more a case of what kind of EO's he writes than the quantity and his speech basically said he will write law through EOs and bypass congress.   Disagreeing with Obama is not demonizing, it is disagreeing with a president that has failed on the economy, failed on foreign policy, riased massive debt with little to show for it and is now saying he will rule by EO because he know best.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:34 PM

View Postrashore, on 31 January 2014 - 08:25 PM, said:

Cool chart- I had no idea that FDR had done so many orders!

FDR was forced to by a situation similar to the do-nothing-congress during his first two terms, only it was not the Repubs and Dems blocking each other, it was those in favor of Social Security and those against it blocking each other... with more or less the same inanities they are using now to stop ACA.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 08:37 PM

View PostOverSword, on 31 January 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

But isn't that a form of flame baiting?

No, it is asking those to put their evidence there where their tongue is.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 09:27 PM

View PostHilander, on 31 January 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

Looks like Obama isn't even close to being the president that signed the most executive orders.



it is not the size that matters it is how you use it, lol  well i mean in this particular case, what were those orders matters more than how many.

  • 2009 - E.O. 13489 - E.O. 13527 (39 Executive orders issued)
  • 2010 - E.O. 13528 - {C}E.O. 13562 (35 Executive orders issued)
  • 2011 - E.O. 13563 - E.O. 13596 (34 Executive orders issued)
  • 2012 - E.O. 13597 - {C}E.O. 13635 (39 Executive orders issued)
  • 2013 - E.O. 13636 - E.O. 13655 (20 Executive orders issued)
167 Total Executive orders Issued


Obama's first act as President EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 banning release of any of his records, how nice.

Executive Order 13528-- Establishing Council of Governors



Executive Order will Strengthen Further Partnership Between the Federal and State and Local Governments to Better Protect Our Nation
The President today signed an Executive Order (attached) establishing a Council of Governors to strengthen further the partnership between the Federal Government and State Governments to protect our Nation against all types of hazards. When appointed, the Council will be reviewing such matters as involving the National Guard of the various States; homeland defense; civil support; synchronization and integration of State and Federal military activities in the United States; and other matters of mutual interest pertaining to National Guard, homeland defense, and civil support activities.

is that militarisation of police??????

Executive Order 13636 of February 12, 2013

Improving Critical Infrastructure Cybersecurity

i guess they need to do things different now, since snowden ratted them out.



full list is here. http://www.archives....ders/obama.html

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:50 PM

There's a slight difference in an EO declaring today National Tiddlywinks Day and and EO that does a complete end run around Congress and the Constitution to, say, grant amnesty to all illegals.

As for FDR, I'd be curious to see how many of those EOs were war related.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:52 PM

View PostMerc14, on 31 January 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

It is more a case of what kind of EO's he writes than the quantity and his speech basically said he will write law through EOs and bypass congress.   Disagreeing with Obama is not demonizing, it is disagreeing with a president that has failed on the economy, failed on foreign policy, riased massive debt with little to show for it and is now saying he will rule by EO because he know best.

I have to completely agree with this statement. The quantities of EO's is not what ultimately damages the country; it's what is behind the one's he is signing. When our president passes an EO that basically gives our DHS the right to arrest and detain anyone, anywhere, for the mere "suspicion" of crimes they haven't even committed yet; AND the right to detain them said people INDEFINETLEY; I'd say there is a serious breach of the 4th amendment.

And, even if you were to argue that this isn't a violation of the amendment because these people being targeted are suspected of terrorist activities; you certainly cannot argue that this is exactly how breaching the homeland amendments begins. EO's are passed for suspected terrorists abroad, then those same principals are implemented slowly but surely in our domestic lives. Oh, look at that, it's the NSA taking your phone calls and emails...


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:13 PM

View PostMerc14, on 31 January 2014 - 08:30 PM, said:

It is more a case of what kind of EO's he writes than the quantity and his speech basically said he will write law through EOs and bypass congress.   Disagreeing with Obama is not demonizing, it is disagreeing with a president that has failed on the economy, failed on foreign policy, riased massive debt with little to show for it and is now saying he will rule by EO because he know best.
Absolutely... it is the intent of the orders that is the problem.  EOs have their place but they were not intended to be a power grab AROUND a coequal branch of the government.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 11:27 PM

View Postquestionmark, on 31 January 2014 - 08:34 PM, said:

FDR was forced to by a situation similar to the do-nothing-congress during his first two terms, only it was not the Repubs and Dems blocking each other, it was those in favor of Social Security and those against it blocking each other... with more or less the same inanities they are using now to stop ACA.

Oh please stop with this left wing whine.  Many presidents have had a hostile senate AND congress to deal with and did just fine.  Obama's problem is he won't compromise and anything, as every other President has done in the past and his policies are rubbish.  ACA is a disaster and even democrats are running away from it.  It s not going to get better, no matter how lopsided your views are and is, in fact, going to get much worse.  That is guaranteed just as I guaranteed 3 years ago the it would be a disaster from day one while you were promising rainbows and lollipops.  Sucks being wrong all teh time doesn't it and the article, BTW, is ****e since no one is complaining about the number of EOs he has written, it is WHAT he is writing that is destructive.

View Postgantonio45, on 31 January 2014 - 10:52 PM, said:

I have to completely agree with this statement. The quantities of EO's is not what ultimately damages the country; it's what is behind the one's he is signing. When our president passes an EO that basically gives our DHS the right to arrest and detain anyone, anywhere, for the mere "suspicion" of crimes they haven't even committed yet; AND the right to detain them said people INDEFINETLEY; I'd say there is a serious breach of the 4th amendment.

And, even if you were to argue that this isn't a violation of the amendment because these people being targeted are suspected of terrorist activities; you certainly cannot argue that this is exactly how breaching the homeland amendments begins. EO's are passed for suspected terrorists abroad, then those same principals are implemented slowly but surely in our domestic lives. Oh, look at that, it's the NSA taking your phone calls and emails...

SCOTUS is looking at his recess appointments of the LRB now and even many democrats are decrying what he is doing and what he plans to do in the future.  They don't want this to be a precedent as some day they will be out of power and I can guarantee that questionmark would be posting hourly diatribes if Bush tried to pull off this ****e.   Silly obamazombies are an embarrassment to everyone ( MSNBC behavior for a prime example).

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