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#1591    Babe Ruth

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 02:34 PM

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Yes, as Robertson mentions, they were designed to withstand the strike of a 707, the flagship of the 60's  and 70's.

And they did indeed withstand the strike of at least one 767 of unknown gross weight at the time of impact.

My point is that the max gross weights of the 2 different types are fairly close.  The towers performed as designed.


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 02:50 PM

Each of those ten points are right on the money. You might want to try to do some research for a change. In fact, I challenge you on each of those ten points to prove me wrong. Let's take an example of what you will be up against.



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WARNINGS THAT THE DANGER WOULD COME FROM THE AIR

BRITAIN, WARNING #1: Al-Qaeda is planning to use aircraft in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs"

the British intelligence agency, gives a secret report to liaison staff at the US embassy in London. The reports states that al-Qaeda has plans to use "commercial aircraft" in "unconventional ways", "possibly as flying bombs." [Sunday Times, 6/9/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #3: An Al-Qaeda attack will involve multiple hijackings

Early August 2001 ©: Britain gives the US another warning about an al-Qaeda attack. The previous British warning (see July 16, 2001) was vague as to method, but this warning specifies multiple airplane hijackings. This warning is included in Bush's briefing on August 6. [Sunday Herald, 5/19/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #2: Three al-Qaeda agents are part of a plot "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines"

August 29, 2001: Three men from either Pakistan or Afghanistan living in the Cayman Islands are briefly arrested in June 2001 for discussing hijacking attacks in New York City (see June 4, 2001). On this day, a Cayman Islands radio station receives an unsigned letter claiming these same three men are agents of bin Laden. The anonymous author warns that they "are organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines." The letter is forwarded to a Cayman government official but no action is taken until after 9/11 and it isn't known when the US is informed. Many criminals and/or businesses use the Cayman Islands as a safe, no tax, no questions asked haven to keep their money. The author of the letter meets with the FBI shortly after 9/11, and claims his information was a "premonition of sorts." The three men are later arrested. Its unclear what has happened to them since their arrest. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, MSNBC, 9/23/01] FTW

EGYPT, WARNING #1: An undercover agent learns 20 al-Qaeda agents are in the US, four have received flight training

Late July 2001 (D): CBS later has a brief mention in a long story on another topic: "Just days after Atta return[s] to the US from Spain, Egyptian intelligence in Cairo says it received a report from one of its operatives in Afghanistan that 20 al-Qaeda members had slipped into the US and four of them had received flight training on Cessnas. To the Egyptians, pilots of small planes didn't sound terribly alarming, but they [pass] on the message to the CIA anyway, fully expecting Washington to request information. The request never [comes]." [CBS, 10/9/02] This appears to be one of several accurate Egyptian warnings based on informants (see June 13, 2001 and August 30, 2001). Could Egypt have known the names of some or all of the hijackers? Given FBI agent Ken Williams' memo about flight schools a short time before (see July 10, 2001), shouldn't the US have investigated this closely instead of completely ignoring it?

GERMANY: Terrorists will use airplanes as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols"

June 2001: German intelligence warns the CIA, Britain's MI6, and Israel's Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists are planning to hijack commercial aircraft to use as weapons to attack "American and Israeli symbols, which stand out." A later article quotes unnamed German intelligence sources who state the information was coming from Echelon surveillance technology, and that British intelligence had access to the same warnings. However, there were other informational sources, including specific information and hints given to, but not reported by, Western and Near Eastern news media six months before 9/11. [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01, Washington Post, 9/14/01, Fox News, 5/17/02] FTW

ITALY: Muslims warn of an attack on the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons

September 7, 2001: Father Jean-Marie Benjamin is told at a wedding in Todi, Italy of a plot to attack the US and Britain using hijacked airplanes as weapons. He isn't told time or place specifics. He immediately passes what he knows to a judge and several politicians. He states: "Although I am friendly with many Muslims, I wondered why they were telling me, specifically. I felt it my duty to inform the Italian government." Benjamin has been called "one of the West's most knowledgeable experts on the Muslim world." Two days after 9/11, he meets with the Italian Foreign Minister on this topic. He says he learned the attack on Britain failed at the last minute. [Zenit, 9/16/01] He has not revealed who told him this information, but could it have been a member of the al-Qaeda cell in Milan (see August 12, 2000 and January 24, 2001), which appears to have helped with the 9/11 attacks?

JORDAN: A major attack using aircraft is planned inside the US

Late summer 2001: Jordanian intelligence (the GID) makes a communications intercept deemed so important that King Abdullah's men relay it to Washington, probably through the CIA station in Amman. To make doubly sure the message gets through it is passed through an Arab intermediary to a German intelligence agent. The message states that a major attack, code named The Big Wedding, is planned inside the US and that aircraft will be used. "When it became clear that the information was embarrassing to Bush Administration officials and congressmen who at first denied that there had been any such warnings before September 11, senior Jordanian officials backed away from their earlier confirmations." Christian Science Monitor calls the story "confidently authenticated" even though Jordan has backed away from it. [International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, Christian Science Monitor, 5/23/02] FTW

RUSSIA: Russian intelligence clearly warns the US several times that 25 or so terrorists, including suicide pilots, will attack the US, targeting "important buildings like the Pentagon"

August 2001 (D): Russian President Putin warns the US that suicide pilots are training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later states, "We had clearly warned them" on several occasions, but they "did not pay the necessary attention." [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01] A Russian newspaper on September 12, 2001 claims that "Russian Intelligence agents know the organizers and executors of these terrorist attacks. More than that, Moscow warned Washington about preparation to these actions a couple of weeks before they happened." Interestingly, the article claims that at least two of the terrorists were Muslim radicals from Uzbekistan. [Izvestia, 9/12/01, (the story currently on the Izvestia web site has been edited to delete a key paragraph, the link is to a translation of the original article from From the Wilderness)] FTW
OTHER WARNINGS

AFGHANISTAN: Al-Qaeda is planning an imminent "huge attack" inside the US that will kill thousands

ARGENTINA: A major terrorist attack is planned against either the US, Argentina, or France

Late July 2001 ©: Argentina's Jewish community receives warnings of a major terrorist attack against either the United States, Argentina or France from "a foreign intelligence source." The warning was then relayed to the Argentine security authorities. It was agreed to keep the warning secret in order to avoid panic while reinforcing security at Jewish sites in the country. Says a Jewish leader, "It was a concrete warning that an attack of major proportion would take place, and it came from a reliable intelligence source. And I understand the Americans were told about it." Argentina has a large Jewish community that has been bombed in the past, and has been an area of al-Qaeda activity. [Forward, 5/31/02]

BRITAIN, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is the "final stages" of a very serious attack on a Western country

July 16, 2001: British spy agencies send a report to British Prime Minister Tony Blair and other top officials warning that al-Qaeda is in "the final stages" of preparing a terrorist attack in the West. The prediction is "based on intelligence gleaned not just from MI6 and GCHQ but also from US agencies, including the CIA and the National Security Agency," which cooperate with the British. "The contents of the July 16 warning would have been passed to the Americans, Whitehall sources confirmed." The report states there is "an acute awareness" that the attack is "a very serious threat." [London Times, 6/14/02] This information could be from or in addition to a warning based on surveillance of al-Qaeda prisoner Khalid al-Fawwaz (see August 21, 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]

CAYMAN ISLANDS, WARNING #1:

June 4, 2001: At some point in 2000, three men claiming to be Afghans but using Pakistani passports enter the Cayman Islands, possibly illegally. [Miami Herald, 9/20/01] In late 2000, Cayman and British investigators begin a yearlong probe of these men which lasts until 9/11. [Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01] They are overheard discussing hijacking attacks in New York City. On this day, they are taken into custody, questioned and released some time later. This information is forwarded to US intelligence. [Fox News, 5/17/02] In late August, a letter to a Cayman radio station will allege these same men are agents of bin Laden "organizing a major terrorist act against the US via an airline or airlines" (see August 29, 2001).

EGYPT, WARNING #2: Al-Qaeda is in the advanced stages of a "significant operation" probably within the US

August 30-September 4, 2001: According to Egyptian President Hasni Mubarak, Egyptian intelligence warns American officials that bin Laden's network is in the advanced stages of executing a significant operation against an American target, probably within the US. [AP, 12/7/01, New York Times, 6/4/02] He says he learned this information from an agent working inside al-Qaeda. US officials deny receiving any such warning from Egypt. [ABC News, 6/4/02]

FRANCE: An echo of Israel's warning of a major assault on the US

Late August 2001 (D): French intelligence gives a general terrorist warning to the US; apparently its contents echo an Israeli warning from earlier in the month (see Mid-August 2001). [Fox News, 5/17/02]
INDIA: Missed opportunity with White House attack warning

India gives the US general intelligence on possible terror attacks; details are not known. US government officials later confirm that Indian intelligence had information "that two Islamist radicals with ties to Osama bin Laden were discussing an attack on the White House," but apparently this particular information is not given to the US until two days after 9/11. [Fox News, 5/17/02]

ISRAEL, WARNING #1: 50 to 200 al-Qaeda terrorists are inside the US and planning an imminent "major assault on the US" aimed at a "large scale target"

August 8-15, 2001: At some point between these dates, Israel warns the US that an al-Qaeda attack is imminent. [Fox News, 5/17/02] Two high ranking agents from the Mossad come to Washington and warn the FBI and CIA that from 50 to 200 terrorists have slipped into the US and are planning "a major assault on the United States." They say indications point to a "large scale target", and that Americans would be "very vulnerable." They add there could be Iraqi connections to the al-Qaeda attack. [Telegraph, 9/16/01, Los Angeles Times, 9/20/01, Ottawa Citizen, 9/17/01] The Los Angeles Times later retracts the story after a CIA spokesman says, "There was no such warning. Allegations that there was are complete and utter nonsense." [Los Angeles Times, 9/21/01]  In light of later revelations of a Mossad spy ring trailing numerous Muslim terrorists in the US, it is easy to see that Mossad would have known this info. Could this be later disinformation by the Mossad to spin the spy ring story and blame Iraq for 9/11, or it is another smoking gun showing extensive US foreknowledge?

ISRAEL, WARNING #2: Israel gives the US a list of 19 terrorists inside the US planning an imminent attack, the list names at least four of the hijackers, including Mohamed Atta

August 23, 2001: According to German newspapers, the Mossad gives the CIA a list of terrorists living in the US and say that they appear to be planning to carry out an attack in the near future. It is unknown if these are the 19 9/11 hijackers or if the number is a coincidence. However, four names on the list are known and are names of the 9/11 hijackers: Nawaf Alhazmi, Khalid Almihdhar, Marwan Alshehhi, and Mohamed Atta. [Die Zeit, 10/1/02, Der Spiegel, 10/1/02, BBC, 10/2/02, Haaretz, 10/3/02] The Mossad appears to have learned about this through its "art student" spy ring (see for instance, March 5, 2002). Yet apparently this warning and list are not treated as particularly urgent by the CIA and also not passed on to the FBI. It's not clear if this warning influenced the adding of Alhazmi and Almihdhar to a terrorism watch list on this same day, and if so, why only those two. [Der Spiegel, 10/1/02] Israel has denied that there were any Mossad agents in the US. [Haaretz, 10/3/02] The US has denied knowing about Atta before 9/11, despite other media reports to the contrary (see January-May 2000).

MOROCCO: Al-Qaeda is planning large scale operations in New York City in the fall of 2001, possibly targeting the World Trade Center

August 2001  The French magazine Maximale and the Moroccan newspaper al-Ittihad al-Ichtiraki later simultaneously report that a Moroccan agent named Hassan Dabou had penetrated al-Qaeda to the point of getting close to bin Laden by this time. Dabou claims he learns that bin Laden is "very disappointed" that the 1993 bombing had not toppled the WTC, and plans "large scale operations in New York in the summer or fall of 2001." Dabou is called to the US to report this information directly, and in so doing blows his cover, losing his ability to gather more intelligence. The International Herald Tribune later calls the story "not proved beyond a doubt" but intriguing, and asks the CIA to confirm or deny, which it has not done. [Agence France Presse, 11/22/01, International Herald Tribune, 5/21/02, London Times, 6/12/02] FTW



Bin Laden Admits 9/11 Responsibility, Warns of More Attacks

A tape aired by Al-Jazeera television Friday showed al-Qaida leader Osama bin Laden admitting for the first time that he orchestrated the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks and saying the United States could face more.

http://www.pbs.org/n...n_10-29-04.html


Bin Laden warns of attacks on the U.S.

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates Breaking more than a year's silence, Osama bin Laden warned Americans in an audiotape released on Thursday that Al Qaeda was planning more attacks on the United States, but he offered a "long truce" on undefined terms.

Question is, are you up to that challenge?


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 03:54 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 10 May 2014 - 06:42 PM, said:

Nope.

And I'd bet $ that the gross weights of the 2 different aircraft were fairly close, maybe 20% difference.

Of course all that's irrelevant, given that nukes were used to take the place down. :tu:

What speed were the towers designed to take the impact at?

I could drop a moderate sized marble on your head and you wouldn't die... but if I shoot you in the head with a 5.56 mm bullet (much lighter than a marble) from an assault rifle, you're probably going to die. Do you understand why?

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:31 PM

I don't know Stellar--that's pretty advanced physics you offer there.

I don't know what speed the towers were designed for, and I don't know at what weights they ran the calculations.  Further, neither you nor I know the weight of the supposed UA 175, nor the speed.  It wasn't UA 175, so the weight is only approximate and probably way light.

Whatever the calculations, the tower withstood the strike, as designed.


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:32 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 11 May 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

Each of those ten points are right on the money. You might want to try to do some research for a change. In fact, I challenge you on each of those ten points to prove me wrong. Let's take an example of what you will be up against.





Question is, are you up to that challenge?


So whats the score now.. Extreme incompetence before, during and after the event. Weve covered all three, I do think.

No but really though; 'Ignorance prevails from you link.'

Ignoring my argument / direct question completely, posting vaguely related content as a response in an attempt to obfuscate, getting called on your general stance by way of funny poster, to subsequently complete the diversion tactic by demanding rebuttal of said unrelated - machine gunned blanks - content.

Wonderful!


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:34 PM

Wonderful, but oh so typical. :cry:


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 04:36 PM

The 'force' is strong in that one.


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 05:47 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 May 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I don't know Stellar--that's pretty advanced physics you offer there.

I don't know what speed the towers were designed for, and I don't know at what weights they ran the calculations.  Further, neither you nor I know the weight of the supposed UA 175, nor the speed.  It wasn't UA 175, so the weight is only approximate and probably way light.

Whatever the calculations, the tower withstood the strike, as designed.

Nah, they're not advanced calculations. They've been provided for you here in this very thread. And what do you mean we don't know the weight of UA 175? We certainly do know at least how much it weighed.

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:24 PM

View PostPhaeton80, on 11 May 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

So whats the score now.. Extreme incompetence before, during and after the event. Weve covered all three, I do think.

Are you side-tracking my challenge? Question was, are you up to the challenge?

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:26 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 May 2014 - 04:31 PM, said:

I don't know what speed the towers were designed for, and I don't know at what weights they ran the calculations.  Further, neither you nor I know the weight of the supposed UA 175, nor the speed.  It wasn't UA 175,...

Clarify what you meant when you said; " It wasn't UA 175." BTW, where is that B-727 at Shanksville you've spoke of? Do I have to keep reminding you of what you have said?

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:39 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 11 May 2014 - 07:24 PM, said:

Are you side-tracking my challenge? Question was, are you up to the challenge?

Nono, Im sidetracking your sidetrack. Youre a piece of work you know that..

Ill leave you alone now.


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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:49 PM

View PostPhaeton80, on 11 May 2014 - 07:39 PM, said:

Nono, Im sidetracking your sidetrack. Youre a piece of work you know that..

Ill leave you alone now.

In other words, you have nothing to challenge the specifics of that list of ten. Why am I not surprised!

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Posted 11 May 2014 - 07:55 PM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 May 2014 - 04:34 PM, said:

Wonderful, but oh so typical. :cry:

Typical of the truth that al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 terrorist attack.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 10:50 AM

View PostBabe Ruth, on 11 May 2014 - 02:34 PM, said:

The towers performed as designed.
That doesn't mean they were unscathed, and depending how you interpret the conflicting stories from the designers, the impacts were close to or beyond the maximum designed for.  That meant the impacts took up nearly all of the structural safety factor, as designed, leaving the towers still standing but very vulnerable.  The impact damage to the fire-resistant coating had not been taken into account in the design, so the heat from the fires weakened the structures further until there was no safety factor left.

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Posted 12 May 2014 - 03:29 PM

View Postskyeagle409, on 11 May 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

In other words, you have nothing to challenge the specifics of that list of ten. Why am I not surprised!

Youre either fooling yourself, or youre simply not capable to comprehend whats what. I mean for godsake man, irrational much?

My bad though, your profile is well known.