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#1    Nightmaker47

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 06:08 AM

I think everyone can agree that angels are commonly interpreted as spiritual human beings with two white wings working in the hand of god. This is especially self-evident if you go inside a church and see the holy portraits of Jesus, Mary, and the angels. I grew up in a Spanish-speaking catholic family since my childhood and I always believed everything they told me from the bible: from Noah's Ark to the resurrection of Jesus.

I was young, of course, so I had no critical thinking skills then. My parents were very traditional, so going to church every Sunday and praying to the Virgin Mary were important. Today they're not that traditional anymore, but they still believe in the same god. They also believe that angels look like us because we were all made in god's image. However, every since I questioned those beliefs, I actually began to wonder whether those beliefs are even mentioned in the bible after all. It actually turns out that Satan did not fall from heaven nor that the messengers of god were really angels. I won't get into detail with these two, but I'll just focus on why the angels may not be humans after all.

In the book of Ezekiel, there is a mention of these cherubims in complete detail. Ezekiel describes these supernatural entities as what sounds like angels in a human form, except that each has a face of an animal: lion, ox, eagle, etc. Both of those cherubims have two wings touching each other like angels and are next to what seems to be like spherical flying wheels with lots of eyes.  

He also mentions in Ezekiel 10:1 "Then I looked, and behold, on the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim there appeared above them something like a sapphire, in appearance like a throne."

Interestingly, the fact that their wings touched is reminiscent to the description of the cherubim in the Most Holy Place in Solomon's temple. Also, if you read Genesis 3:24, god sent a cherubim to guard the garden of Eden with a flaming sword. This indicates that the cherubims and god co-existed since Genesis. It is possible that this cherubim mentioned in Genesis is connected to Ezekiel and the two golden cherubims artifact at the Most Holy Place in Solomon's temple.

Many people and churches illustrate god's angels as supernatural human beings with wings. Yet, the bible clearly says otherwise. The bible actually describes them as what seems to be like beasts in a human form and armed with supernatural weapons like the flaming sword.

Does this finally show that our common paradigm of angels having human characteristics only may be wrong? Just who exactly were these creatures and why did they and god appear to what seems to be like ancient alien technology? I may sound a little out of hand, but they also seem to have this possibility that they could just be aliens out of this world. Just saying.

Edited by Nightmaker47, 04 February 2014 - 06:15 AM.


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:26 AM

No make believe?


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 09:42 AM

Google "Nike Mythology", and "Victoria Mythology" to see what Catholicism borrowed from ancient
Greece, and Rome.

Do not forget that ancient people would consume sacraments of sacred plants to see into the spirit world.

http://www.unexplain...15#entry5021899

http://www.unexplain...45#entry5022615

http://www.unexplain...15#entry5061477

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 11:09 AM

View Postdavros of skaro, on 04 February 2014 - 09:42 AM, said:

Google "Nike Mythology", and "Victoria Mythology" to see what Catholicism borrowed from ancient
Greece, and Rome.

Do not forget that ancient people would consume sacraments of sacred plants to see into the spirit world.

http://www.unexplain...15#entry5021899

http://www.unexplain...45#entry5022615

http://www.unexplain...15#entry5061477

http://ancientrome.r...veri/ass002.jpg

http://www.wildwinds...Lawrence_56.jpg

http://i81.photobuck...CaesarImago.png

http://www.theoi.com...e/T24.1Nike.jpg

http://www.michaelsh...le/zodiacMT.jpg

Well, I was wondering why there's little record of narcotic use in Roman Empire.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 03:27 PM

Has anyone ever had an angel experience  ? I have . I can share quite a few stories . There's one particular  encounter I experienced  in an NICU  area  of a hospital that I can say to you , angels do appear , they are real,  and at times they  can appear  as human and as real as we do. I am so grateful for every single experience I have ever known to have encountered  with angels, and for all the others I have had but didn't know an angel was among me. They exist .


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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:27 PM

http://www.lapdonlin...basic_view/9098

Gotta dig into the archive for angel activities.

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Posted 04 February 2014 - 08:36 PM

just human or beast? that's slim pickin's in the options department


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Posted 05 February 2014 - 01:56 PM

View Postambelamba, on 04 February 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:

Well, I was wondering why there's little record of narcotic use in Roman Empire.

They were sacred as medicine, and in Religious rituals.

Cultivation of opium poppies for food, anaesthesia, and ritual purposes dates back to at least the Neolithic Age (new stone age). The Sumerian, Assyrian, Egyptian, Indian, Minoan, Greek, Roman, Persian and Arab Empires all made widespread use of opium, which was the most potent form of pain relief then available, allowing ancient surgeons to perform prolonged surgical procedures. Opium is mentioned in the most important medical texts of the ancient world, including the Ebers Papyrus and the writings of Dioscorides, Galen, and Avicenna. Widespread medical use of unprocessed opium continued through the American Civil War before giving way to morphine and its successors, which could be injected at a precisely controlled dosage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium

Entheogenic theories

Numerous scholars have proposed that the power of the Eleusinian Mysteries came from the kykeon's functioning as a psychedelic agent.[6] Use of potions or philtres for magical or religious purposes was relatively common in Greece and the ancient world.[34] The initiates, sensitized by their fast and prepared by preceding ceremonies (see set and setting), may have been propelled by the effects of a powerful psychoactive potion into revelatory mind states with profound spiritual and intellectual ramifications.[35] In opposition to this idea, other pointedly skeptical scholars note the lack of any solid evidence and stress the collective rather than individual character of initiation into the Mysteries.[36] Indirect evidence in support of the entheogenic theory is that in 415 BC Athenian aristocrat Alcibiades was condemned partly because he took part in an "Eleusinian mystery" in a private house.[37]

Many psychoactive agents have been proposed as the significant element of kykeon, though without consensus or conclusive evidence. They include a fungal parasite of barley, ergot, which contains the alkaloids lysergic acid amide (LSA), a precursor to LSD, and ergonovine.[35] However, modern attempts to prepare a kykeon using ergot-parasitized barley have yielded inconclusive results, though Alexander Shulgin and Ann Shulgin describe both ergonovine and LSA to be known to produce LSD-like effects.[38][39]

Mushrooms are another candidate. Terence McKenna speculated that the mysteries were focused around a variety of Psilocybe. Other entheogenic fungi, such as Amanita muscaria, have also been suggested.[40] A recent hypothesis suggests that the ancient Egyptians cultivated Psilocybe cubensis on barley and associated it with the deity Osiris.[41]

Another candidate for the psychoactive drug is an opioid derived from the poppy. The cult of the goddess Demeter may have brought the poppy from Crete to Eleusis; it is certain that opium was produced in Crete.[42]

Another theory is that the psychoactive agent in kykeon is DMT, which occurs in many wild plants of the Mediterranean, including Phalaris and/or Acacia.[43] To be active orally it must be combined with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor such as Syrian Rue (Peganum harmala), which grows throughout the Mediterranean.

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Sarpa salpa was used as a recreational drug during the Roman Empire, and is known as "the fish that makes dreams" in Arabic.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:31 AM

Many of Romans should have abused those stuff to the maximum. But history seems to be never clear on this...

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:14 AM

View Postambelamba, on 07 February 2014 - 07:31 AM, said:

Many of Romans should have abused those stuff to the maximum. But history seems to be never clear on this...

Right.

I find pictures of wall reliefs of Roman priests with bowls, water jugs, and some sort of substance on a small Alter.I think "Good Friday" may have been for the consumption of that "Dream Fish", but some of the writings of the past are lost.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:20 PM

View PostNightmaker47, on 04 February 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

I think everyone can agree that angels are commonly interpreted as spiritual human beings with two white wings working in the hand of god. This is especially self-evident if you go inside a church and see the holy portraits of Jesus, Mary, and the angels. I grew up in a Spanish-speaking catholic family since my childhood and I always believed everything they told me from the bible: from Noah's Ark to the resurrection of Jesus.

I was young, of course, so I had no critical thinking skills then. My parents were very traditional, so going to church every Sunday and praying to the Virgin Mary were important. Today they're not that traditional anymore, but they still believe in the same god. They also believe that angels look like us because we were all made in god's image. However, every since I questioned those beliefs, I actually began to wonder whether those beliefs are even mentioned in the bible after all. It actually turns out that Satan did not fall from heaven nor that the messengers of god were really angels. I won't get into detail with these two, but I'll just focus on why the angels may not be humans after all.

In the book of Ezekiel, there is a mention of these cherubims in complete detail. Ezekiel describes these supernatural entities as what sounds like angels in a human form, except that each has a face of an animal: lion, ox, eagle, etc. Both of those cherubims have two wings touching each other like angels and are next to what seems to be like spherical flying wheels with lots of eyes.  

He also mentions in Ezekiel 10:1 "Then I looked, and behold, on the expanse that was over the heads of the cherubim there appeared above them something like a sapphire, in appearance like a throne."

Interestingly, the fact that their wings touched is reminiscent to the description of the cherubim in the Most Holy Place in Solomon's temple. Also, if you read Genesis 3:24, god sent a cherubim to guard the garden of Eden with a flaming sword. This indicates that the cherubims and god co-existed since Genesis. It is possible that this cherubim mentioned in Genesis is connected to Ezekiel and the two golden cherubims artifact at the Most Holy Place in Solomon's temple.

Many people and churches illustrate god's angels as supernatural human beings with wings. Yet, the bible clearly says otherwise. The bible actually describes them as what seems to be like beasts in a human form and armed with supernatural weapons like the flaming sword.

Does this finally show that our common paradigm of angels having human characteristics only may be wrong? Just who exactly were these creatures and why did they and god appear to what seems to be like ancient alien technology? I may sound a little out of hand, but they also seem to have this possibility that they could just be aliens out of this world. Just saying.
The early Hebrews were more of a shamanic tradition that evolved into a religion.

The 'angels' that are being described in the bible are typical polymorphs. Very common in shamanic visions and altered states of consciousness particularly with people that had a greater connection to animals.

This does not mean that they cannot be represented by human form. Perceiving an angel or a spirit guide in most circumstances draws upon deep internal imagery that can be archetypical in specific groups. Their light = their halo. Their wings = their seemingly freedom of movement.

a Native American encountering  an angel in the flesh often experienced an animal representation. The same is true for altered state of consciousness interactions.

You also see the typical geometric shapes and fractals seemingly evident in ancient texts like the bible.

My personal experiences, I have both types, but the times were I have met them in the flesh were at critical moments and they were indeed human form. Which of course makes sense. It would look kinda of funny for a deer or guy with a wolf head helping me do CPR to a woman in a car, or stopping me from doing something stupid.





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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:39 PM

Neither.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:16 PM

View PostNightmaker47, on 04 February 2014 - 06:08 AM, said:

Does this finally show that our common paradigm of angels having human characteristics only may be wrong? Just who exactly were these creatures and why did they and god appear to what seems to be like ancient alien technology? I may sound a little out of hand, but they also seem to have this possibility that they could just be aliens out of this world. Just saying.

In Genesis 19:1 Lot receives two angels into his house and in 19:5 the men of Sodom said this from outside Lot's house...

"Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them."

In later verses, these angels are even referred to as "men".

So, it seems angels can be sufficiently human-like to be both mistaken for men, and also referred to as "men" by the author. I would suggest that angels appear exactly as God wants them to appear, and they have no predefined, or 'default', form.

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