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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:54 AM

Richard Hoover will be presenting his evidence for alien life at the International UFO Congress.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:40 AM

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It never ceases to amaze me how many will cling to old beliefs even in this new millennia. For years now the actual primary building blocks of life, “Amino Acids” have been found free-floating in space. This is the equivalent of discovering that space is a type of vast ocean and we occupy just a crevasse next to a chunk of coral. Human beings haven’t been around long enough to take up the arrogant position that we are the ultimate authorities on exactly what constitutes life, let alone extraterrestrial life. We only recently discovered bacteria living in radioactive waste. What this means is that we may not even be able to recognize alien life if it was standing in front of us. Some life forms may look diffent when appearing in our plane of existence or atmosphere just as deep sea creatures look different on the surface world than they do in the ocean's depths. Dr. Richard Hoover is exactly correct and he will more than likely be revered a hundred years from now for his discovery.  The age we now live in will be looked upon as the dark-age’s cutting-edge scientific thinking, when science was afraid to venture out of academic mind-sets into the new frontiers of the unknown.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:11 PM

View PostSaitung, on 07 February 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many will cling to old beliefs even in this new millennia. For years now the actual primary building blocks of life, “Amino Acids” have been found free-floating in space. This is the equivalent of discovering that space is a type of vast ocean and we occupy just a crevasse next to a chunk of coral. Human beings haven’t been around long enough to take up the arrogant position that we are the ultimate authorities on exactly what constitutes life, let alone extraterrestrial life. We only recently discovered bacteria living in radioactive waste. What this means is that we may not even be able to recognize alien life if it was standing in front of us. Some life forms may look diffent when appearing in our plane of existence or atmosphere just as deep sea creatures look different on the surface world than they do in the ocean's depths. Dr. Richard Hoover is exactly correct and he will more than likely be revered a hundred years from now for his discovery.  The age we now live in will be looked upon as the dark-age’s cutting-edge scientific thinking, when science was afraid to venture out of academic mind-sets into the new frontiers of the unknown.
Very well said and I totally agree.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:47 PM

I remember loking into this a while back. I came to the same conclusion of his evidence as mainstream scientists.  The so called fossils are natural formations within the rock. which came about through geological processes.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:02 PM

That is not nearly enough on it's own. I think when most people think of Alien life, they think, well little grey beings. And as tantalizing as his (Hoover's) argument is, in my eyes is still not definite proof. Who's to say that Amino acids aren't just universal like a lot of other things are.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 02:50 PM

View PostSaitung, on 07 February 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

It never ceases to amaze me how many will cling to old beliefs even in this new millennia. For years now the actual primary building blocks of life, “Amino Acids” have been found free-floating in space. This is the equivalent of discovering that space is a type of vast ocean and we occupy just a crevasse next to a chunk of coral. Human beings haven’t been around long enough to take up the arrogant position that we are the ultimate authorities on exactly what constitutes life, let alone extraterrestrial life. We only recently discovered bacteria living in radioactive waste. What this means is that we may not even be able to recognize alien life if it was standing in front of us. Some life forms may look diffent when appearing in our plane of existence or atmosphere just as deep sea creatures look different on the surface world than they do in the ocean's depths. Dr. Richard Hoover is exactly correct and he will more than likely be revered a hundred years from now for his discovery.  The age we now live in will be looked upon as the dark-age’s cutting-edge scientific thinking, when science was afraid to venture out of academic mind-sets into the new frontiers of the unknown.

I don't think that most people would argue against the fact that the building blocks of life are free floating in space.  In 1834 Jons Berzelius discovered carbon compounds in a meteorite that fell in France and ever since then there have been multiple instances of meteorites falling to earth loaded with the building blocks of life.  The Murchison Meteorite in 1969 contained Amino Acids that are used by terrestrial life but it begs the question, are these amino acids the decayed remnants of an extraterrrestrial life form or the result of chemical processes?  Many of the amino acids had left handed hellicity, just like our right handed DNA uses but polarized light can create this as well.

I think the best you can get out of this is the argument that life didn't start as some miraculous event occurring spontaneously in a promordial soup but the building blcoks of life were delivered in pieces from space.  This isn't proof of life, it is proof that the building blocks of life are abundant in space and delivered to habitable planets via meteors, comets and asteroids.

Edited by Merc14, 07 February 2014 - 02:51 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:28 PM

View PostMerc14, on 07 February 2014 - 02:50 PM, said:

I think the best you can get out of this is the argument that life didn't start as some miraculous event occurring spontaneously in a promordial soup but the building blcoks of life were delivered in pieces from space.  This isn't proof of life, it is proof that the building blocks of life are abundant in space and delivered to habitable planets via meteors, comets and asteroids.

I agree, from what we have found so far with astrobiology (from meteors to the Curiosity missions et al) we can't currently infer anything more than the possibility that life exists beyond Earth. We are still missing that elusive 'Exhibit A' however I'm optimistic that it will be found within my lifetime...at least I hope so.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:55 PM

View PostSlave2Fate, on 07 February 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

I agree, from what we have found so far with astrobiology (from meteors to the Curiosity missions et al) we can't currently infer anything more than the possibility that life exists beyond Earth. We are still missing that elusive 'Exhibit A' however I'm optimistic that it will be found within my lifetime...at least I hope so.

I think we will find proof of life in the next decade as well, either with some fossil record, artifact or with one of the new generation telescopes schedule to come on line.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 02:37 AM

I wonder how man people Hoover will suck in....

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 03:58 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 08 February 2014 - 02:37 AM, said:

I wonder how man people Hoover will suck in....

Boom Boom. I congratulate you, sir.

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:51 AM

Smoking man in X-files?


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 09:45 AM

Again microbes.. Wat most ppl want to see/know is inteligent life. I think there r lots of alien civilisations out there. Some still stone age, some quite mordern like us n just a few capable of interstellar space travel. I also believe some planets out there just harbour non-inteligent life (animals, monsters...). Earth is just a speck of dust in the universe i really don think we r alone..

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Posted 09 February 2014 - 10:12 AM

The object in focus is a Mars meteorite named ALH84001, some infos here :

http://www.lpi.usra....rites/life.html

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/snc/alh.html


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 11:31 AM

And in a few days, no one will ever hear about this story again.


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Posted 09 February 2014 - 12:09 PM

Hoover gets wheeled out periodically by true believers (and obviously he can still make a small buck from the ufology circuit) , but all he has is structures that look vaguely similar to microbial life residue.  They also look a lot like natural geological intrusions, and some/most/all of them are from potentially contaminated sources.

As for amino acids - save me.  Yes, they are indeed some of the basic building blocks of life - but so is flippin' hydrogen, and carbon, and that isn't 'news' - there's a lot of that stuff around our nearest star..  No scientist has yet been able to make life from amino acids, so forgive me if I dismiss Hoover and wait upon something a bit closer to real life like alien DNA, instead of this incredibly weak 'evidence' that would only satisfy Zoserians.  Unfortunately there are enough of those around to make these ufology conferences still viable.

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