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Posted 08 February 2014 - 12:54 AM

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start here. My tutorial is the second post with a video. :) I hope it helps.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:30 AM

Thats amazing :D. Every since seeing this site iv been wanting to astral project. Iv tried some time but dont even get close. I think it's because I still have some emotional pinups.

As for the people that say astral project is unsafe, I wouldent listen to them. I feel like its only our fear that causes problems, i dont believe in like a Christian idea of hell, I actually think the root of all the problems in the world is fear. just be full of love and acceptance. The opposite of fear, love.

But thats just me anyways. Good job.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 02:06 AM

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It was amazing. Maybe Im reading to much into it, but I keep searching for what it all meant. Just seems to profound to be for nothing. Problem with that is the experiance left more questions then answers.

I can dig what you are saying though in regards to dogma. I have actualy been shedding alot of it for sometime now. Once I admitted there were certain things I just didnt/couldnt know, the closer I felt with God. Maybe that why I was able to take the leap. I dont know. But I do have limitations. Like I was really glad that I didnt encounter anyone/thing else during the OBE. I dont know if I can handle seeing something that at least it would appear to be something to fear. And even if they seemed cool, Im kinda pre programed to not trust them. Trying to look at it from your POV, that probably is a shame.

Now that it actualy happened, does it get less difficult to do? I tryed again this afternoon, but nothing happened. Just ended up taking a nap. Somehow I kinda thought Id be all pro at it once I got a taste. LOL
Nothing wrong with caution.

Hahaha well yes and no. Practice will be your friend of course, try and have a purpose, as I have mentioned its like learning to walk. You are going to have many stumbles. My advice is not to be in rush, when you find the opportunity to do something do it. You will find you will be more successful at the oddest times. The most important is to continue to be kind and trust in the great spirit. When you meet your first angel or guide apply the same caution that you would anyone else to a new relationship. It's not much more complicated than that. Human beings are experts at guessing the lion in the grass but mostly its just grass.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:02 AM

View Postpreacherman76, on 07 February 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

I couldnt even touch anything. My hand would just go through it. So I walked over to my door, and without hesitation I just walked through it. Thats what made this different from any dream I have ever had. It didnt require me to will myself through the door, like in a lucid dream. I just fully understood that this was the reality I was in/

If you fully understand during a lucid dream that nothing is real, then you will walk through anything without needing will. That's why my main advice to people who try to go through a wall for example, is to just do it and do it quickly so you're not thinking too much about it. Some people will give advice to go through slowly and imagine merging with the wall and taking your time etc. But imo this only gives time to create doubt. And needing to think that much about it shows they don't fully understand the environment they are in. So in your case you fully understood the reality was not real which means no problems going through objects. Sometimes in lucid dreaming you can lose some of this feeling and have a tiny bit of doubt creep in which will make you need to re try going through the wall again. While in normal dreams you are completely fooled by the 'reality' so objects are as solid as if in real life.


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One thing stood out that makes me think it wasnt a dream. As I was looking at myself, and my wife laying in bed, I came around to her side, and had to get really close to her face to see her. I even remember thinking that it was really dark in the room. More so then normal. So after the whole thing was over, I woke up and came out to my living room. I realized I never turned the light on in the kitchen before I went to bed, like I always do. You can see a small amount of light from the kitchen in my bed room, so its not totaly dark.

I dont know yet if this will be a life game changer. But Im certainly gonna chew on this for sometime to come.

A possible explanation for this part would be that because your eyes are still taking in information they have created the darker scene. So basically because they didn't see a mild light source coming through the eye lids the brain would've picked that up. Also somewhere in your mind you might of been aware you hadn't turned the light on before going to sleep as usual.


Either way though, in the end it sounded like a cool experience.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 05:25 AM

Congrats. It sounds like you had a Guinean experience. I haven't had a full blown experience like the one that you described since i had mine when i was younger. However when you were in Astral Mode did your Arms feel like your real ones even though if you tried to touch something it would just pass right through it?


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:51 AM

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Congrats. It sounds like you had a Guinean experience.

What is a non genuine experience? So what is the difference between a genuine experience and a non genuine experience of an OBE?


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:51 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 08 February 2014 - 01:30 AM, said:

Thats amazing :D. Every since seeing this site iv been wanting to astral project. Iv tried some time but dont even get close. I think it's because I still have some emotional pinups.

As for the people that say astral project is unsafe, I wouldent listen to them. I feel like its only our fear that causes problems, i dont believe in like a Christian idea of hell, I actually think the root of all the problems in the world is fear. just be full of love and acceptance. The opposite of fear, love.

But thats just me anyways. Good job.

Well I think a little fear might be healthy at times. We do live in a dangerous place. To be honest though, Im not sure I believe in the Christian version of hell either. At least not in the eternal tormenting punnishment that never ends kinda hell, but I cant say for sure. I no longer waste time burdoning myself with it. I have listened to 100's of NDE's and the common pattern I see is that love is by far the most important thing. So I certainly believe you are right about that.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 11:07 AM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 08 February 2014 - 02:06 AM, said:

Nothing wrong with caution.

Hahaha well yes and no. Practice will be your friend of course, try and have a purpose, as I have mentioned its like learning to walk. You are going to have many stumbles. My advice is not to be in rush, when you find the opportunity to do something do it. You will find you will be more successful at the oddest times. The most important is to continue to be kind and trust in the great spirit. When you meet your first angel or guide apply the same caution that you would anyone else to a new relationship. It's not much more complicated than that. Human beings are experts at guessing the lion in the grass but mostly its just grass.

Oh man I wish I would have read this last night before bed. I got nothing last night. Couldnt even get that small vib feeling I used to get when I first tryed.

Purpose.

Noted.

I also noticed it was harder to relax, now that I know what im in for, its just too exciting.

Im gonna have to take your advice in regards to others I might see out there. I know myself well enough to understand that whether or not this is a good idea, Im certain to continue. I have been searching for the great unknown my whole life. Its how I eventualy met (so to speak) the great spirit, who I happen to have given the name Jesus Christ. Well I didnt give him the name, but Im sure you can dig what m saying.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 11:37 AM

View Poststevemagegod, on 08 February 2014 - 05:25 AM, said:

Congrats. It sounds like you had a Guinean experience. I haven't had a full blown experience like the one that you described since i had mine when i was younger. However when you were in Astral Mode did your Arms feel like your real ones even though if you tried to touch something it would just pass right through it?

Great question. My cousin ask me several questions similar to the one you asked. I couldnt answer all his questions, but this one I can. Let me explain what happened when I first realized I couldnt touch anything. When I came walking out to my living room, I have a couch thats right at the entrance. I was still a little overwhelmed at seeing myself and my wife on the bed (oh by the way my wife now thinks im crazy. She didnt directly say so, but I can tell. from now on Im not saying anything to her, Im on my own.) so when I got to the couch, I went to put my hand on it to lean on it, and think about what I had just seen. To my surprize, my hand went right through it. It was a total shock. Thats because I felt exactly as I do right now. I thought somehow that I was still fully myself. It was a little scary, but very liberating at the same time. That experiance was what gave me the confidence to walk through the door without any hesitation. So to answer your question, yes. I explained it to my cousin like this. I was fully myself, in everyway. I just understood that I was playing under a different set of rules.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 12:13 PM

View PostKazahel, on 08 February 2014 - 04:02 AM, said:

If you fully understand during a lucid dream that nothing is real, then you will walk through anything without needing will. That's why my main advice to people who try to go through a wall for example, is to just do it and do it quickly so you're not thinking too much about it. Some people will give advice to go through slowly and imagine merging with the wall and taking your time etc. But imo this only gives time to create doubt. And needing to think that much about it shows they don't fully understand the environment they are in. So in your case you fully understood the reality was not real which means no problems going through objects. Sometimes in lucid dreaming you can lose some of this feeling and have a tiny bit of doubt creep in which will make you need to re try going through the wall again. While in normal dreams you are completely fooled by the 'reality' so objects are as solid as if in real life.




A possible explanation for this part would be that because your eyes are still taking in information they have created the darker scene. So basically because they didn't see a mild light source coming through the eye lids the brain would've picked that up. Also somewhere in your mind you might of been aware you hadn't turned the light on before going to sleep as usual.


Either way though, in the end it sounded like a cool experience.

It really was a awesome experiance.

Im no expert on lucid dreaming. Not by a long shot. I have only had a small handfull of experiances. So dont get me wrong, in no way am I saying you are wrong. Maybe it was a lucid dream. From my POV this is how the experiances were very different. For me, every lucid dream I ever had, I was first in a regular dream. For what ever reason during that dream, I would become conscience that I was in a dream. From there my first thought was to fly. It was always difficult to do. It was always a hard exorcise in mental will power, where if I lost focus, or got to comfortable, I would actualy fall. Sometimes Id fall a great distance. I have even experianced what we would think of as pain when I hit the ground.

This experiance didnt start from a already existing dream state. This started with a very powerful vibration feeling. From there, at no point did I think I was in a dream. In fact I wasnt sure exactly what was happening at all. Also the things that happened that you could compare to dreams, came with no effort. No mental will power at all. In fact, not being able to touch things was a total shock to me. In other words, I should have been tricked into thinking my couch was real. I believed my couch was real. I was very surprized to find that it, or I, wasnt.

Edited by preacherman76, 08 February 2014 - 12:40 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:11 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 08 February 2014 - 11:37 AM, said:

Great question. My cousin ask me several questions similar to the one you asked. I couldnt answer all his questions, but this one I can. Let me explain what happened when I first realized I couldnt touch anything. When I came walking out to my living room, I have a couch thats right at the entrance. I was still a little overwhelmed at seeing myself and my wife on the bed (oh by the way my wife now thinks im crazy. She didnt directly say so, but I can tell. from now on Im not saying anything to her, Im on my own.) so when I got to the couch, I went to put my hand on it to lean on it, and think about what I had just seen. To my surprize, my hand went right through it. It was a total shock. Thats because I felt exactly as I do right now. I thought somehow that I was still fully myself. It was a little scary, but very liberating at the same time. That experiance was what gave me the confidence to walk through the door without any hesitation. So to answer your question, yes. I explained it to my cousin like this. I was fully myself, in everyway. I just understood that I was playing under a different set of rules.

Hmm Interesting. A while back i was very close to achieving a full conscious OBE. The only thing that stopped me was to what i believe was a fail safe designed to keep you bound to your body as my sub conscious mind wasn't in control example dream OBE's etc., I was fully prepared to have that OBE and then just as i was about to separate a thought came into my head saying "What if i don't come back"? A simple fail safe but it worked unfortunately. :td: Before that however i was in the Vibration stage and i was trying to get used to my Astral Arms and Legs. The Vibrations were so intense that i felt my bed shaking along with me as i was seeing through my third eye and i was able to move astral arms freely. They truly felt like my real ones even though i had my real arms still as i was in a deep meditative state. Mind Awake Body A Sleep State. I believe i achieved a partial separation then since you confirmed what i suspected months ago when i was in that state.

Lately i have been trying to get back to that same state and no luck.  Although i have been working on it constantly and have noticed that when i try and achieve that same sensation i have been experiencing what some call "Exploding Head Syndrome". I heard someone call out to me and when i woke up i saw these two Blue Orbs of light floating across the room for a brief second and then disappeared. I also felt very nervous for some reason and according to research that is very common for people who experience EHS.

Also believe me dude my parents think i am crazy when i tell them this stuff as well so don't fell a lone.

Edit: One More Thing: I usually stay up till 1:30 am on the computer just doing random **** and for the past couple of nights i have been hearing what sounds like disembodied voices. They are usually muffled and can't tell what they are saying. But they are always around 1:10am in the morning. I never hear them when its day time. Also one night i got home from my buddies house at 1:00 am i went up stairs to go to bed and i usually shut my door i wasn't a sleep yet just trying to fall asleep and i heard this knock on the door. I honestly thought someone was there so i got up opened my door and said ya? and no one was there. If it was my family they would of just barged right in and it was to high for my cat. It was a normal human height knock. My hair stood straight up as well.

Do you guys think these disembodied voices,lights, and knocks are a Ghost or some weird side effect of constantly practing ap?

Edited by stevemagegod, 08 February 2014 - 04:21 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:54 PM

View Postpreacherman76, on 08 February 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

It really was a awesome experiance.

Im no expert on lucid dreaming. Not by a long shot. I have only had a small handfull of experiances. So dont get me wrong, in no way am I saying you are wrong. Maybe it was a lucid dream. From my POV this is how the experiances were very different. For me, every lucid dream I ever had, I was first in a regular dream. For what ever reason during that dream, I would become conscience that I was in a dream.

That's generally how lucid dreams go but I've also felt the vibrations too and just knowing I can leave the body. I found sometimes I would wake up after a lucid dream and then would feel the vibrations and roll out of body. I would then cruise around and then be back in my body and do it all again. But the only thing I've found that separated the experiences(dream/obe)was the sensation of leaving the body and the scene of being in the room.  

Everything else is the same as what can happen during a dream. So because you were aware of the vibrations this would make the mind focus on the body during a time when the mind is right on the verge of dreaming. So I believe this focus on the body could create the scene of having an OBE while actually slipping into a dreaming state.

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This experiance didnt start from a already existing dream state. This started with a very powerful vibration feeling. From there, at no point did I think I was in a dream. In fact I wasnt sure exactly what was happening at all.

I'm not sure how you wouldn't have some idea what was happening. Sorry to quote your first post below(makes this post look messy) but I find reading this and then reading your first post as showing you had some expectation and idea of what was happening.

View Postpreacherman76, on 07 February 2014 - 12:59 PM, said:

I Had My first OBE, or astral projection last night. I got interested in this subject about a year ago. Then after talking with some folks I decided it might not be a good idea, so I left it alone. Last night my back felt really tight, so I used one of the meditations that never produced a OBE,(I'm not sure why you added this considering the beginning of the paragraph, but anyway) but was very helpful in relaxing me. So I focused hard on relaxing every muscle. I got so relaxed that I was seconds away from full sleep when this powerful vib came over my whole body. I have felt this in the past, but it was much stronger this time. Instantly my mind wanted to get excited, but I knew if that happened it would go away. I almost lost it twice trying what some here suggested. I tryed to just get up quick. It didnt work. I knew I could get out, so to speak, but couldnt figure out how. So I stayed cool, an just kinda let myself fall into the bed. Next thing I know Im standing next to my bed looking at myself and my wife, totaly asleep. Now I have heard other folks say this as well, but there is nothing like actualy experiancing it. Right away I start questioning the reality of this experience

So basically you wouldn't of been excited and tried techniques if you didn't have an idea of what you were hoping to achieve when feeling the vibrations.

View Postpreacherman76, on 08 February 2014 - 12:13 PM, said:

Also the things that happened that you could compare to dreams, came with no effort. No mental will power at all. In fact, not being able to touch things was a total shock to me. In other words, I should have been tricked into thinking my couch was real. I believed my couch was real. I was very surprized to find that it, or I, wasnt.

I think what could've happened was because your primary thought was you were OBE, you deep down believed you couldn't pick up any objects. So you believed your couch was real but you didn't believe that you were real(because you were in spirit/ghost form). And spirit cant touch physical. So I think this would've naturally been in your mind because of the beginning of the OBE experience. So moving freely through anything would be easy and require no will power.

Anyway, I don't want to come across as negative at all because nothing can change what you experienced. And it is a wonderful experience. But I do like to share some other ways to maybe look at these experiences. Many think they are completely separate to dreaming but I'm not so sure of that myself.

Edited by Kazahel, 08 February 2014 - 05:01 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 08:19 PM

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Hmm Interesting. A while back i was very close to achieving a full conscious OBE. The only thing that stopped me was to what i believe was a fail safe designed to keep you bound to your body as my sub conscious mind wasn't in control example dream OBE's etc., I was fully prepared to have that OBE and then just as i was about to separate a thought came into my head saying "What if i don't come back"? A simple fail safe but it worked unfortunately. :td: Before that however i was in the Vibration stage and i was trying to get used to my Astral Arms and Legs. The Vibrations were so intense that i felt my bed shaking along with me as i was seeing through my third eye and i was able to move astral arms freely. They truly felt like my real ones even though i had my real arms still as i was in a deep meditative state. Mind Awake Body A Sleep State. I believe i achieved a partial separation then since you confirmed what i suspected months ago when i was in that state.
Oh man that sucks. You were so close. My cousin asked if I was worried about whether or not Id be able to come back to my body. I dont know why, but it never crossed my mind.

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Lately i have been trying to get back to that same state and no luck.  Although i have been working on it constantly and have noticed that when i try and achieve that same sensation i have been experiencing what some call "Exploding Head Syndrome". I heard someone call out to me and when i woke up i saw these two Blue Orbs of light floating across the room for a brief second and then disappeared. I also felt very nervous for some reason and according to research that is very common for people who experience EHS.
Wow, thats crazy. I had something similar happen to me about 12 years ago. I was dead asleep when I heard someone call out my name. It was so loud I sat right up in bed. I didnt see any orbs though.

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Also believe me dude my parents think i am crazy when i tell them this stuff as well so don't fell a lone.

Edit: One More Thing: I usually stay up till 1:30 am on the computer just doing random **** and for the past couple of nights i have been hearing what sounds like disembodied voices. They are usually muffled and can't tell what they are saying. But they are always around 1:10am in the morning. I never hear them when its day time. Also one night i got home from my buddies house at 1:00 am i went up stairs to go to bed and i usually shut my door i wasn't a sleep yet just trying to fall asleep and i heard this knock on the door. I honestly thought someone was there so i got up opened my door and said ya? and no one was there. If it was my family they would of just barged right in and it was to high for my cat. It was a normal human height knock. My hair stood straight up as well.

Do you guys think these disembodied voices,lights, and knocks are a Ghost or some weird side effect of constantly practing ap?

You got me swinging bro. I wish I could help ya figure it out, but thats way above my pay grade.

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Hmm Interesting. A while back i was very close to achieving a full conscious OBE. The only thing that stopped me was to what i believe was a fail safe designed to keep you bound to your body as my sub conscious mind wasn't in control example dream OBE's etc., I was fully prepared to have that OBE and then just as i was about to separate a thought came into my head saying "What if i don't come back"? A simple fail safe but it worked unfortunately. :td: Before that however i was in the Vibration stage and i was trying to get used to my Astral Arms and Legs. The Vibrations were so intense that i felt my bed shaking along with me as i was seeing through my third eye and i was able to move astral arms freely. They truly felt like my real ones even though i had my real arms still as i was in a deep meditative state. Mind Awake Body A Sleep State. I believe i achieved a partial separation then since you confirmed what i suspected months ago when i was in that state.

Lately i have been trying to get back to that same state and no luck.  Although i have been working on it constantly and have noticed that when i try and achieve that same sensation i have been experiencing what some call "Exploding Head Syndrome". I heard someone call out to me and when i woke up i saw these two Blue Orbs of light floating across the room for a brief second and then disappeared. I also felt very nervous for some reason and according to research that is very common for people who experience EHS.

Also believe me dude my parents think i am crazy when i tell them this stuff as well so don't fell a lone.

Edit: One More Thing: I usually stay up till 1:30 am on the computer just doing random **** and for the past couple of nights i have been hearing what sounds like disembodied voices. They are usually muffled and can't tell what they are saying. But they are always around 1:10am in the morning. I never hear them when its day time. Also one night i got home from my buddies house at 1:00 am i went up stairs to go to bed and i usually shut my door i wasn't a sleep yet just trying to fall asleep and i heard this knock on the door. I honestly thought someone was there so i got up opened my door and said ya? and no one was there. If it was my family they would of just barged right in and it was to high for my cat. It was a normal human height knock. My hair stood straight up as well.

Do you guys think these disembodied voices,lights, and knocks are a Ghost or some weird side effect of constantly practing ap?
Yes... Don't constantly practice anything. You are too intelligent not to be your own person. Find that first with the knowledge you have gained, then be a seeker. ;)

Edited by White Crane Feather, 08 February 2014 - 10:47 PM.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 10:47 PM

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What is a non genuine experience? So what is the difference between a genuine experience and a non genuine experience of an OBE?
There is none ;) it's a continuum.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
Bruce Lee-




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