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#1    Brian Topp

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:50 PM

I have noticed a theme lately where members have given dialog as facts, yet when some member ask that person where he got these facts from or even where they heard these facts, their reaction is either side stepping the question, ignoring it or belittling the person who asked them.

i am not refering to beliefs, where some one says they believe in some thing a from they experienced.

what I am refering to is people who say things like "Microsoft has alien technology" or "Nasa has an live alien" and yet they can't tell us where they heard it from or have any documention to back it up.

this seriously baffles me, how can one treat this misinformation/rumors as facts and yet they will deny that it isnt their opinion and belief while refusing to give references, links and the source. Does some ones opinion matter more than the facts it self? is it perhaps the frame of mind that thinks, it sounds plausible so it must be true?

Edited by Brian Topp, 07 February 2014 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 06:52 PM

That is why I have disclaimers on my profile.  I am hoping that whenever I say something, that it stirs the curiosity and the reader will do the search for themselves.

I took a senior level communication course in college where we learned to assess what is fact (something you can see for yourself, something you can hold in your hand or view with your own eyes, or have your own experience with) from reports (something that is reported as fact, yet you have no way of knowing if that report is authentic) or opinions. Knowing this has been extremely helpful.


View PostBrian Topp, on 07 February 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

I have noticed a theme lately where members have given dialog as facts, yet when some member ask that person where he got these facts from or even where they heard these facts, their reaction is either side stepping the question, ignoring it or belittling the person who asked them.

i am not refering to beliefs, where some one says they believe in some is a form of opinion of what they experienced. what I am refering to is people who say things like "Microsoft has alien technology" or "Nasa has an live alien" and yet they can't tell us where they heard it from or have any documention to back it up.

this seriously baffles me, how can one treat this misinformation/rumors as facts and yet they will deny that it isnt their opinion and belief while refusing to give references, links and the source. Does some ones opinion matter more than the facts it self? is it perhaps the frame of mind that thinks, it sounds plausible so it must be true?


Edited by regeneratia, 07 February 2014 - 06:55 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:05 PM

View PostBrian Topp, on 07 February 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

is it perhaps the frame of mind that thinks, it sounds plausible so it must be true?

I think you nailed it. I'm not on the boards to lie to anyone, nor do I like being lied to. On the same thought, I'll give an example using me:
I do -believe- in a God. I do know that everything around me does not need that belief to work. I have seen evolution (micro leading to macro) as a testable model, a perfect model to explain species, changes etc. Is God to me a personal fact? I don't know and I would not present my beliefs or ideas as fact unless testable.

I think people inherently desire their ideas, thoughts and faiths to be indisputable. It has blinded many to truth. From scientist to layperson.

Disclaimer: I do not believe that science is blind to facts, just individuals who refuse to test their ideas or that fudge data to prove a point.


EDIT: I hope that I made sense. Coffee is weak today.

Edited by RedSquirrel, 07 February 2014 - 07:06 PM.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:20 PM

There is a reason why this site is called "unexplained-mysteries"

This is not www.physicsforums.com, where facts are indeed demanded. I was a member there for many, many years.

What comes to mind on our forum are subjects such as ET-UFO's and the paranormal topics. Very little is factually-based, rather opinions or "reports"

This is not unhealthy, as, if everything was demanded to be factually-based this forum would not exist. Thus, a robust, entertaining discussion can occur on a specific topic without an overwhelming need for "facts"

I like that position. Though of course, like you, I like "facts" too.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:28 PM

If someone has an opinion, they should clarify their position and say very bluntly it is their opinion..

If they say it is a fact, they should be able to cite an authentic source.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 07:58 PM

True, but on certain topics it should be clearly evident that it's an opinion.

To constantly use "IMHO", for example, is redundant by default of the topic.


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 08:23 PM

View Postpallidin, on 07 February 2014 - 07:58 PM, said:

True, but on certain topics it should be clearly evident that it's an opinion.

To constantly use "IMHO", for example, is redundant by default of the topic.

And that is where common sense comes in. Asking for a source on current events, history or the like and someone won't provide it they are either lazy, arrogant or ashamed of their sources. To constantly hound someone about "proof" in regards to bigfoot, ghosts or religion borders on the ridiculous sometimes... IMHO. :P


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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:30 PM

While I do respect opinions in regards to certain topics, I don't think that's the problem presented in the OP. The problem is, as can be seen on certain threads, when opinion is expressed as absolute fact! Even when this is not the case, how the poster came to the conclusion can be expressed, and can lend some credibility to those opinions as well.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:50 PM

This site seems like a good place to share opinions, as crazy as some of them may be. I'm guilty of it myself. Lol

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:01 PM

It's a fact that it's my opinion that facts are more important than opinions.

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 11:49 PM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 07 February 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

It's a fact that it's my opinion that facts are more important than opinions.

No doubt. But it's also suggested that some scientific discoveries eventually leading to facts actually started with pure speculation and "opinionated" banter. IMHO.

Edited by pallidin, 07 February 2014 - 11:52 PM.


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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:09 AM

View PostMysticStrummer, on 07 February 2014 - 11:01 PM, said:

It's a fact that it's my opinion that facts are more important than opinions.

that's  funny.   Facts are wonderful and all.... but  what is an Idea?  a fact or an opinion?   I'd say that every idea and inspiration is akin to an opinion until verified as fact or folly?

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:16 AM

View PostDrayno, on 07 February 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

If someone has an opinion, they should clarify their position and say very bluntly it is their opinion..

If they say it is a fact, they should be able to cite an authentic source.

i do'nt think people should have to back up their opinions. There is nothing to compell me to back them up. Take them or leave them. They are opinions, by their very nature, subjective.

View PostDrayno, on 07 February 2014 - 07:28 PM, said:

If someone has an opinion, they should clarify their position and say very bluntly it is their opinion..

If they say it is a fact, they should be able to cite an authentic source.

I think that ist is the job of the reader to search for things that back up someone else's opinions.

View Postpallidin, on 07 February 2014 - 11:49 PM, said:

No doubt. But it's also suggested that some scientific discoveries eventually leading to facts actually started with pure speculation and "opinionated" banter. IMHO.

I respect that.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 01:19 AM

View PostRedSquirrel, on 07 February 2014 - 07:05 PM, said:

I think you nailed it. I'm not on the boards to lie to anyone, nor do I like being lied to. On the same thought, I'll give an example using me:
I do -believe- in a God. I do know that everything around me does not need that belief to work. I have seen evolution (micro leading to macro) as a testable model, a perfect model to explain species, changes etc. Is God to me a personal fact? I don't know and I would not present my beliefs or ideas as fact unless testable.

I think people inherently desire their ideas, thoughts and faiths to be indisputable. It has blinded many to truth. From scientist to layperson.

Disclaimer: I do not believe that science is blind to facts, just individuals who refuse to test their ideas or that fudge data to prove a point.


EDIT: I hope that I made sense. Coffee is weak today.

I think that sometimes science is based on an opinion and then the studies are done, are designed, to back up that opinion. Time and time again, we see scientists admit to altering data or skewing a study design.

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Posted 08 February 2014 - 04:44 AM

I think this is just like the scientific theory vs. personal theory (synonymous with idea) issue.

There's a difference between scientific facts that are provable etc. and personal facts which people accept as true for themselves.

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