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#1    danielost

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:54 PM

I was going to make this a poll but can't.

So let's just talk about ways to save the country instead.

I think if the country fails so will the world.  We are China's and Europe's biggest customer.  If we fail they fail if they fail so does the world.

According to the republicans if we degrees our spending increase by one percent we would be in the black in five years.

According to the democrats the federal government cannot run out of money.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:58 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 February 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

I was going to make this a poll but can't.

So let's just talk about ways to save the country instead.

I think if the country fails so will the world.  We are China's and Europe's biggest customer.  If we fail they fail if they fail so does the world.

According to the republicans if we degrees our spending increase by one percent we would be in the black in five years.

According to the democrats the federal government cannot run out of money.

Balanced Budget amendment and term limits.  Both require amending the constitution but so be it.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 04:59 PM

The entire planet just needs a meteor strike as soon as possible.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:03 PM

from whom?

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 05:52 PM

Start over :D    We just need a mulligan!!!

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:22 PM

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The entire planet just needs a meteor strike as soon as possible.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:36 PM

View Postdanielost, on 13 February 2014 - 04:54 PM, said:

I was going to make this a poll but can't.

So let's just talk about ways to save the country instead.

I think if the country fails so will the world.  We are China's and Europe's biggest customer.  If we fail they fail if they fail so does the world.

According to the republicans if we degrees our spending increase by one percent we would be in the black in five years.

According to the democrats the federal government cannot run out of money.

Well Daniel, this might strike you as a shock, but Europe's biggest customer is Europe:

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over 73% of what is produced in the EU is consumed in the EU, of the 27% that is not the USA takes less than 1/3. So if The USA would collapse tomorrow economically there would be no real problem in Europe...maybe one for the Chinese, but certainly not in Europe. Since the banking collapse they have been working very hard to cut all dependencies from the US...  except Britain, that is, they still export over 1/3 of all their goods to the US...but if the EU can feed Spain, Greece and Portugal they can feed Britain too.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:37 PM

If we get impatient enough there is always the old tried and true method - war.

ETA:  If China fails then the EU loses nearly 50% of its export income by your chart.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:41 PM

You'll be screwed as long as you have selective economical freedom and the worshipping attitute towards your government.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:46 PM

View Postand then, on 13 February 2014 - 06:37 PM, said:

If we get impatient enough there is always the old tried and true method - war.

ETA:  If China fails then the EU loses nearly 50% of its export income by your chart.

The point of that chart is that, to the contrary of most other economic blocks, consuming over 70% of their own goods, the EU would not fail even if the whole world quit importing, so if China fails...well there goes the pork barrel.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 06:52 PM

The US is well on its way to failing. The 'too big to fail' mentality is extremely misguided.

For the most part, I blame our Govt  for their over regulation of business(es) and esp. GWB for giving away our share of the manufacturing sector to China, etc. Also, starting w/ Regan, our Govt has allowed the mass influx of cheap labor into the US @ the Am. workers expense. (And neglecting to enforce existing Immigration Laws...a "Nation of laws" that doesn't enforce (all) its laws, absurd, IMO.) :cry:

The US Govt, and businesses wanted a global economy, and now we have it. It's said that a Mexican worker makes $3.00 (US) per day, (in Mex) and a Chinese worker makes $1.00 (US) per day, (in China). Not good by any country's standard...but it's impossible to live on these wages here in the US without receiving entitlements, etc.

The US' economic downturn has had global effects, but China, Europe, etc. will survive America's downfall, and eventually prosper as they will have one less major competitor in the marketplace.

Now our Govt. is telling its citizens to go out and 'pursue your passion'. (At the working taxpayers expense.) :rolleyes:

I'll never forget my Dad telling me, "GET A JOB and work hard, so you can have the money to pursue your dreams/passions...and IF you are very lucky, you can find a job that pays you to pursue your passions."


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:38 PM

We have to find the sweet spot between 'The American dream' and 'Corporate America'. If we do not figure out a way to allow small business to flourish whilst also allowing a self sustaining equation of effort=reward. Corporations will continue to play Pac-Man until it is impossible for anything else to eat the efficiency costs of overregulation and we will literally be corporate slaves.

If small businesses fail, competition fails. Oh but the corporations will compete! Uh-huh just like there competing in the auto/computer/console area right?

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There will be huge civil rights movements in the coming years, but either way the two laws above still imply. Give a inch and take a mile, but if it comes to this it will be to late.


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Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:46 PM

No matter what recipe is circulated: unless there is a little more popular participation in the political process and a little more willingness of the people to inform themselves about the issues beyond the usual CNBC and Fox yaddah (that really don't deserve the attribute news, but should be called "what they want to hear" outlets and generally are served up by people as ignorant as their audience) there is no solution.

Sitting in front of the idiot making box and besides burping after every can of beer only to open the mouth to eat or blame Washington leads us nowhere, except down the same path we are already on.

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:20 PM

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Posted 13 February 2014 - 08:26 PM

View Postaztek, on 13 February 2014 - 07:49 PM, said:

as usual "people are at fault" liberal bull crap. i bet you think you are not like those people, lol, of course, if everyone was like you we'd never had any problems, lmao.

news flash for you, people did not cause this mess, politicians did, and don'tr bring up "you voted for them" crap.

The last time I checked, politicians were people. Therefore, people are at fault for causing this "mess". Why not bring up "you voted for them"?  A person doesn't just wake up one morning and decide they are going to be a politician, travel to D.C., walk into the Capital Building, sit down, and become a Senator or Representative.  People in this country must vote them in.  If you do not like what they are doing, don't vote for them and hope others feel the same way.  Or, what's beautiful about this country, you can decide to run for political office opposing them.  Bottom-line, a lot of people voted these politicians into office and if we want something to change the 'we" need to express that by choosing different candidates and getting active in our government.

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