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#1    pallidin

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:08 AM

With my current dog, we love each other. She is VERY protective.

Now, if say, during a home invasion my dog is assualted, I feel like killing the person.

Am I "overboard" to treat her like my child under those conditions? I have mixed feelings.

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Edited by pallidin, 15 February 2014 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 11:42 AM

View Postpallidin, on 15 February 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:


Now, if say, during a home invasion my dog is assualted, I feel like killing the person.

Invade my home, attack my dogs and I'd be loading my Ruger 10/22 rifle.

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Am I "overboard" to treat her like my child under those conditions? I have mixed feelings.



Well, dogs aren't human children...but breaking into my home and hurting my dogs is a really big "no-no".

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:11 PM

Our pets, mine being 2 cats and a dog depend on us for their survival.  I would be letting them down if I didn't protect them and I would in any way possible to me.  I hope it doesn't become a choice between a human life or my pets but I can't see myself sitting back and just letting them being harmed if it was - my instinct to protect would overcome me.

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:15 PM

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 01:17 PM

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45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.
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Posted 15 February 2014 - 03:30 PM

I was like that with my dog and when she died I cried for a week.  She was my best friend and I could tell her anything and she never told anyone.  I could always trust her, she never betrayed me once.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 05:39 PM

That is an interesting scenario. I would say generally that a humans life is more valuable than an animals. I agree with Lilly, that if a person broke into your house soley to harm your animal, there is something wrong and that person would need to be stopped. It would better for them to get their butt kicked than to be shot and killed but that might not be possible so maybe you could use something to hit them upside their head and knock them out with, then you can tie up their hands and wait for the police, hopefully not too much blood... *shrugs*

What would the law of your town say about it, if you actually took it to court? Would they let you go or would you go to jail for murder? The court would be full aware that the intruder died because of the threat to the animal and no other reason.

I love my cats and birds, but I know I would react entirely differently if someone were to attack my daughter or one of my animals. I wouldn't kill over the animal, but I'm sort of docile that way...

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 05:46 PM

View Postpallidin, on 15 February 2014 - 08:08 AM, said:

Am I "overboard" to treat her like my child under those conditions? I have mixed feelings.

Aristotle would have said humans cannot have virtuous friendships with animals. The study of animal behaviour though has advanced over the last 2500 years.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 05:49 PM

If anyone comes in my house, and hurts any member in my household, 4 legged or not, they are going to pay for it.  Period.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 07:23 PM

I'm old, armed, and a dog lover...I protect me and mine.

Just to add, no need to use deadly force...shoot them in the knee caps then call the cops.

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:06 PM

View PostLilly, on 15 February 2014 - 07:23 PM, said:

I'm old, armed, and a dog lover...I protect me and mine.

Just to add, no need to use deadly force...shoot them in the knee caps then call the cops.
You almost make me wish we had a 2nd amendment in Australia :innocent:

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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:12 PM

Animals are family. I wouldn't let anyone intentionally hurt one of my cats, but I wouldn't want the blood of a mentally challenged individual on my hands forever for taking their life over it. It just depends on what degree of protection you're talking about. If a person has mental problems, they too have a family with a Mom, Dad, and siblings.

I can't imagine anybody in their right mind entering a stranger's home with intent of hurting their pets.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:36 PM

View PostAstral Hillbilly, on 15 February 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

Animals are family. I wouldn't let anyone intentionally hurt one of my cats, but I wouldn't want the blood of a mentally challenged individual on my hands forever for taking their life over it. It just depends on what degree of protection you're talking about. If a person has mental problems, they too have a family with a Mom, Dad, and siblings.

I can't imagine anybody in their right mind entering a stranger's home with intent of hurting their pets.

No, you have the wrong scenario. I'm not referring to an intruder going into a home with the sole purpose of killing pets.

Rather, that the intruder is there to rob, rape, whatever, and the dog(s) confront him to protect me and he kills the dog(s).

I consider my precious dog part of my family, and such an event would seriously tick me off.

I know a true pet is not a human child, but I love it one step below my children.

Not sure how the legal system would react if I killed the intruder after he killed my dog.

Edited by pallidin, 15 February 2014 - 08:37 PM.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 08:47 PM

View Postpallidin, on 15 February 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

No, you have the wrong scenario. I'm not referring to an intruder going into a home with the sole purpose of killing pets.

Rather, that the intruder is there to rob, rape, whatever, and the dog(s) confront him to protect me and he kills the dog(s).

I consider my precious dog part of my family, and such an event would seriously tick me off.

I know a true pet is not a human child, but I love it one step below my children.

Not sure how the legal system would react if I killed the intruder after he killed my dog.

In my state someone breaking into the house is reason enough to kill them. If they were sadistic enough to kill a pet that is even more reason.


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Posted 15 February 2014 - 09:09 PM

I recall an incident(sorry, don't have the link) where a K-9 dog in broad daylight was chasing after a suspect.

The suspect was running, but managed to turn around and shoot the police K-9 to death.

In the video I saw, the K-9 handler(the dog stays at home with the handler) was so distraught that he was escorted from the crime scene by a female officer, waving his hands in the air in distress.

Not sure what happened to the suspect, though I think he was shot but lived.





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