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#1    Ashotep

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 01:22 AM

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Exxon CEO Rex Tillerson is involved in a legal battle over fracking. The weird part is, he’s on the side that’s against it.

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So now he's against it, how rich.


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Posted 22 February 2014 - 03:14 AM

View PostAshotep, on 22 February 2014 - 01:22 AM, said:

So now he's against it, how rich.
He IS rich - that's the point.
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Posted 22 February 2014 - 07:02 AM

Gotta love a hypocrite.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 07:43 PM

Of course Fracking is totally safe as long as it isn't on your own doorstep.

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Posted 23 February 2014 - 08:44 PM

At least they will no longer be able to take the high moral ground - which is a result if nothing else. The battle for hearts and minds has already been lost in all new areas of expansion for the industry.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 12:46 PM

I'd bet a quarter... this guy still says its perfectly safe,    but a little messy and noisy for some areas? Like his horse ranch!  or residential areas?

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 02:00 PM

View Postlightly, on 24 February 2014 - 12:46 PM, said:

I'd bet a quarter... this guy still says its perfectly safe, but a little messy and noisy for some areas? Like his horse ranch!  or residential areas?
Tell that to the Texans of Dallas.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:24 PM

Fracking is perfectly safe as long as it is done right, but I can't blame the guy for not wanting it done on his land.

Once fracking is done on your land what you can do with your land becomes highly restricted until the fracking is finished.  I can't remember all of the restrictions but it was stuff like you cant build anything at all within 10 yards of any fracking equipment, the areas you are allowed to build on still have restrictions on what is allowed to be built, and if I remember correctly the land owner is partially responsible for mantience of the fracking equipment and can get sued if anything happens to it or if any problems arise.

Fracking is safe but almost all the contracts the fracking companies try to get people to agree to are terrible and I can understand why the guy is fighting this.


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Posted 24 February 2014 - 04:58 PM

Fracking cannot be said to be safe. It causes air pollution, water pollution and brings heavy plant into areas which were previously rural. All of these things are recorded and have safety risks associated with them. The fact that in some ideal world Fracking might be possible to do without these issues is hardly material to those effected.

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Posted 24 February 2014 - 06:48 PM

View PostDarkHunter, on 24 February 2014 - 04:24 PM, said:

Fracking is perfectly safe as long as it is done right, but I can't blame the guy for not wanting it done on his land.
As for not building anything on, or near, the lease site:  we've had two drilling and one fracking accident in Oklahoma in the last three years.  In the first drilling accident, the crew had the blowout preventer apart for repairs.  Emissions from the well ignited on the rig.  After that, there wasn't anything left to do but run.  Everybody got off OK, but several people's cars burned up.  Lawsuits still working through the courts.

Second accident:  nobody knows how the fire got started, but it killed the derrickman.  Rig was a total loss.

Fracking accident:  the crew was using MWD (measurement while drilling) equipment prior to the actual fracturing.  The gear uses a very high jolt of electricity to make measurements of the hole.  They had it out for maintenance but a new man on site didn't have the power supply disconnected.  They had another machine hooked up to the same system.  The boss told another new crewman to turn the power on.  Fortunately, the maintenance man had just stood up to get a tool and didn't have ahold of the instruments.  There was a fifty-foot arc across the drill pad; fortunately it missed everybody, but the whole system was taken offline for several days while the companies investigated.  The boss got fired over that one.

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Once fracking is done on your land what you can do with your land becomes highly restricted until the fracking is finished.  I can't remember all of the restrictions but it was stuff like you cant build anything at all within 10 yards of any fracking equipment, the areas you are allowed to build on still have restrictions on what is allowed to be built, and if I remember correctly the land owner is partially responsible for mantience of the fracking equipment and can get sued if anything happens to it or if any problems arise.
Do you mean to say that an oil or gas company that's willing to spend four or five MILLION dollars on one well is going to balk at a contract that requires them to be responsible for their own equipment?  They pay the mud logger more than it takes to clean up a typical site.

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Fracking is safe but almost all the contracts the fracking companies try to get people to agree to are terrible and I can understand why the guy is fighting this.
Drilling and fracking are only safe if nobody makes a mistake.  But, people make mistakes.  Oklahoma probably has one of the best regulatory systems in the world, but even here, accidents still happen.  States like Ohio and Pennsylvania that won't pass the proper regulations are at the mercy of unscrupulous or incompetent operators, nut to mention the problems with unknown faults and lots of synclines and anticlines.  And our lassez-faire state governments don't mind if somebody ELSE gets killed.
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Edited by Doug1o29, 24 February 2014 - 06:51 PM.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:13 PM

View PostDoug1o29, on 22 February 2014 - 03:14 AM, said:

He IS rich - that's the point.
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That was my point, only a rich guy could stop this.  The rest of us would have to live with it so the likes of him can get richer.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 10:21 PM

So ridiculous. Fracking is perfectly safe - until it's on the doorstep of a wealthy neighbourhood.

Bunch of crooks and Hippocrates.

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 07:02 PM

View PostDark_Grey, on 26 February 2014 - 10:21 PM, said:

So ridiculous. Fracking is perfectly safe - until it's on the doorstep of a wealthy neighbourhood.

Bunch of crooks and Hippocrates.
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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:15 PM

If someone like him is changing his mind there is something else going on. The motives of these people are rarly honest :P

Anyone who saying it's safe is lying. No industrial process is completely safe, or clean. I think the arguments will go on until a bunch of people die from drinking poisoned water, then we will start to see bans.

Edited by Finity, 10 March 2014 - 11:22 PM.


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Posted 10 March 2014 - 11:26 PM

He is simply been a NIMBY. A real down to earth hypocrite.
he knew the reality all along but it was never going to effect him - until now.

This is the quality of people we are dealing with here.

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