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#1    Varelse

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 02:56 PM

I see the storm troopers of the ultra-conservative blogger school getting further into strange places that even I, as a libertarian of sorts, can't comprehend lately. It's like they've gone completely unhinged, rewritten history in their own mind and only speak in a language they all understand. And we all know you guys finally learned how to "blog" and feel the need to make up for the decade where Prius driving, Apple pc using, wine sniffing, rose smelling farters ruled Al Gore's interweb but lately it's off the hook.

Still, the alpha male in me is torn between the underlying motivations of the far left and far right. The far left wants a higher quality of life for everyone at the expense of a few, damn them if they don't like it. The far right wants the highest quality of life for the few that can only come at the expense of the many, damn the consequences.

Until the internet came along these extremes were usually only found in small percentages of the population that knew when to **** or get popped in the pie hole. Now, with the advent of instant access to information and the ability to hide behind a computer any unfiltered, unreviewed information can be spewed out and poured over any lazy mind with enough time to read it.

The flocks are like two groups of protestors yelling at each other from across the street. "DO THIS!, DO THAT!" Only they've stopped yelling about their ideas and are now fervently trying to warn the opposite side of the clever pickpockets they see working behind the other group. But no one ever turns around to look so they all get their wallets stolen.

Meanwhile, the rest of us drive by and think "Get a life".

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 04:14 PM

View PostMr. Smith, on 22 February 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

I see the storm troopers of the ultra-conservative blogger school getting further into strange places that even I, as a libertarian of sorts, can't comprehend lately. It's like they've gone completely unhinged, rewritten history in their own mind and only speak in a language they all understand. And we all know you guys finally learned how to "blog" and feel the need to make up for the decade where Prius driving, Apple pc using, wine sniffing, rose smelling farters ruled Al Gore's interweb but lately it's off the hook.

Still, the alpha male in me is torn between the underlying motivations of the far left and far right. The far left wants a higher quality of life for everyone at the expense of a few, damn them if they don't like it. The far right wants the highest quality of life for the few that can only come at the expense of the many, damn the consequences.

Until the internet came along these extremes were usually only found in small percentages of the population that knew when to **** or get popped in the pie hole. Now, with the advent of instant access to information and the ability to hide behind a computer any unfiltered, unreviewed information can be spewed out and poured over any lazy mind with enough time to read it.

The flocks are like two groups of protestors yelling at each other from across the street. "DO THIS!, DO THAT!" Only they've stopped yelling about their ideas and are now fervently trying to warn the opposite side of the clever pickpockets they see working behind the other group. But no one ever turns around to look so they all get their wallets stolen.

Meanwhile, the rest of us drive by and think "Get a life".
I think the discourse and flow of info is good. Not many people really had a voice before technology. Now those in control must answer to all of us at least to an extent. We don't have to be subjected to what we can only see in the paper or in television.  That crazy blogger just might have a point that needs to be explored, but a least for now it is not silenced by non distribution. The Internet was the best thing to ever happen to democracy.

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 04:40 PM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 22 February 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

I think the discourse and flow of info is good. Not many people really had a voice before technology. Now those in control must answer to all of us at least to an extent. We don't have to be subjected to what we can only see in the paper or in television.  That crazy blogger just might have a point that needs to be explored, but a least for now it is not silenced by non distribution. The Internet was the best thing to ever happen to democracy.

I didn't mean to imply the internet is to blame for any rise in extreme pov's, misguided people with an ax to grind are though. It's like the old cliché, "guns don't kill people, people kill people". But we can't deny they make it easier. But so far the "best thing to ever happen to democracy" hasn't changed much of anything for the better. Making things easier and making things better are two different outcomes.

I agree 100% that the free flow of speech and ideas must never be suppressed - as many in high places try to do. But at the present time any real revolution here will quickly devolve into a civil war of misguided gatherers vs. misguided hunters..

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 07:29 PM

Well doesn't that OP sound exactly like me...

The conservatives will make you tow their version of the libertarian line, if they catch wind that you identify with libertarians...watch out for that.   Ideologies all have rules.

Two groups, throwing mud at each other, blind as all hell they're not changing a damn thing worth changing.

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Posted 22 February 2014 - 10:46 PM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 22 February 2014 - 04:14 PM, said:

I think the discourse and flow of info is good.
Except they're not discoursing, they're just shouting abuse at each other like a less funny Monty Python sketch.

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 04:56 AM

View PostVarelse, on 22 February 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

I see the storm troopers of the ultra-conservative blogger school getting further into strange places that even I, as a libertarian of sorts, can't comprehend lately. It's like they've gone completely unhinged, rewritten history in their own mind and only speak in a language they all understand. And we all know you guys finally learned how to "blog" and feel the need to make up for the decade where Prius driving, Apple pc using, wine sniffing, rose smelling farters ruled Al Gore's interweb but lately it's off the hook.

Still, the alpha male in me is torn between the underlying motivations of the far left and far right. The far left wants a higher quality of life for everyone at the expense of a few, damn them if they don't like it. The far right wants the highest quality of life for the few that can only come at the expense of the many, damn the consequences.

Until the internet came along these extremes were usually only found in small percentages of the population that knew when to **** or get popped in the pie hole. Now, with the advent of instant access to information and the ability to hide behind a computer any unfiltered, unreviewed information can be spewed out and poured over any lazy mind with enough time to read it.

The flocks are like two groups of protestors yelling at each other from across the street. "DO THIS!, DO THAT!" Only they've stopped yelling about their ideas and are now fervently trying to warn the opposite side of the clever pickpockets they see working behind the other group. But no one ever turns around to look so they all get their wallets stolen.

Meanwhile, the rest of us drive by and think "Get a life".


Your title asks a question , Are You being screwed by an agenda ? I would think the answer is an obvious YES .


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 05:10 AM

Barack Obama won the white house on a platform of change , what was the change ? what was his agneda ? did he have one ?

Edited by Ellapennella, 28 February 2015 - 05:21 AM.


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 05:27 AM

View PostVarelse, on 22 February 2014 - 04:40 PM, said:

I agree 100% that the free flow of speech and ideas must never be suppressed

Then what's the point of this thread?


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 05:47 AM

View PostVarelse, on 22 February 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

The far left wants a higher quality of life for everyone at the expense of a few, damn them if they don't like it. The far right wants the highest quality of life for the few that can only come at the expense of the many, damn the consequences.




I know this isn't the main point of your thread but if that's how you see right wing politics then you don't really understand it at all


Everyone wants what's best we all just have diffrent solutions and values

Edited by spartan max2, 28 February 2015 - 05:49 AM.

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 01:25 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 22 February 2014 - 10:46 PM, said:


Except they're not discoursing, they're just shouting abuse at each other like a less funny Monty Python sketch.
I suspect they always did. But now instead if yelling at the tv, they can have a voice.

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Posted 28 February 2015 - 08:18 PM

View PostVarelse, on 22 February 2014 - 02:56 PM, said:

I see the storm troopers of the ultra-conservative blogger school getting further into strange places that even I, as a libertarian of sorts, can't comprehend lately. It's like they've gone completely unhinged, rewritten history in their own mind and only speak in a language they all understand. And we all know you guys finally learned how to "blog" and feel the need to make up for the decade where Prius driving, Apple pc using, wine sniffing, rose smelling farters ruled Al Gore's interweb but lately it's off the hook.


Still, the alpha male in me is torn between the underlying motivations of the far left and far right. The far left wants a higher quality of life for everyone at the expense of a few, damn them if they don't like it. The far right wants the highest quality of life for the few that can only come at the expense of the many, damn the consequences.

Until the internet came along these extremes were usually only found in small percentages of the population that knew when to **** or get popped in the pie hole. Now, with the advent of instant access to information and the ability to hide behind a computer any unfiltered, unreviewed information can be spewed out and poured over any lazy mind with enough time to read it.

The flocks are like two groups of protestors yelling at each other from across the street. "DO THIS!, DO THAT!" Only they've stopped yelling about their ideas and are now fervently trying to warn the opposite side of the clever pickpockets they see working behind the other group. But no one ever turns around to look so they all get their wallets stolen.

Meanwhile, the rest of us drive by and think "Get a life".

You  suggest that conservatives have rewritten history , I collect old books because of that reason. So if I have doubts I'll look into what I have or I look into a resource that I know that I can trust . what history are you referring to ,the past or present ? I think  the constitution is an important part of our American Histiry that needs to be held onto to my all means , do you agree ? I haven't  read anywhere where as you spoken of the histiry of our constitution . Can you give an example of one what exactly conservatives have changed in our history of America besides just saying they have ? With elections in the near further I'd like to hear why you stated that . If you don't mind that is. I'm not looking for a debate , I never look for debates, just wanting to know why is all.

You seem to sound as though you may not really be in support of  capitalism or that it's not really that but that some people just have way yoo much money and they don't care about humanity, thoug what gets me is that you seperated these people into two seperate groups the far left and the far right , though don't you see them  both as  elitist ? I do. I see them like that. I actually agree with george Washington , that seperate political parties was wrong to ever have. It's all manipulation . I recognize liars on both sides of the cloth .

You mentioned Al Gore  (and bloggers) as though you have had conflicting views of him . That maybe you liked what you he had to say, but ... ? A while back I  happen to find a book  of his for cheap . " Earth In The Balance " Is the title of it. I admit , it's beautifully  written making it nothing but an exceptional  read. Even so , I still don't trust Al Gore , he's like a slithering snake. But that book , very interesting. Did I trust everything spoken of in it ? I think that in one sense people are easily manipulated  by their emotions.  I ask many questions but in the end I will always think for myself .  I've learned that becsue people manipulate others by  emotions they  usually do so for self gratification without care of others or their  well being . I see Obama as a man with an agenda  who has  manipulated the  emotions of  many people especially the American People to serve his own self gratification and philosohphy of his ideology . I suppose  in his book "Dreams Of My Father" these hidden truths in his psyche  can be found.

I'm a true believer in to thine ownself be true   I live by it  .Even so ,  I've discovered that most people can't accept that  because it interfers with their manipulative ways.   You mentioned the internet and people sharing  their thoughts  freely  is why I mentioned the above belief and understanding I have . I think that even though the internet is what it is  doesn't change that , at least not for me  . It shouldn't change how we treat one another .I honestly have no respect for pushy rude loud mouths here or in the material world.  A reflection of  humananity reaching out to one another with  hope for a  better future , a real solution , for that which  the world needs , and shares in hope of  is what the internet brings to a closer level . In that I reality I really  like the internet .

Your closing paragraph , I think that manners and compassion for humanity  matter most in discussions . I can always tell who is the unhealthy one or the one that has high blood pressure , neither are  me. I think that it's because of how I take in the world and that i have  good genes too .The  belittling of one another is not just petty but I find it  very disgraceful . It's not in my heart to be like that towards anyone . Some people are like that though and yes  especially  on the internet . I suppose it takes a more confident individual to ignor it. And to know that others who are mature and compassionate towards one another , those who truly care about humanity see that cruel behavior for what it is. And what it's intensions are .So , I  guess I'm not one that would  ride by  and say like get a life ,though I have thougt it before as i see it happen .  I actually stop and look and take in what I see because I care and feel for others . I also wonder about why the world is in the shape it's in when I see hate displayed . And I wonder will it ever change ,how can it be fixed.Peace & Love seem so close and yet so does Hate& War.


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Posted 28 February 2015 - 10:54 PM

All I know is the Left and Right-wing wants us to behave based on what they feel is proper conduct and impose all sorts of laws to control or prevent us from behaving in a certain way, if you break those laws, you are punished and thrown to prison or luckily, pay a hefty fine. Conservative and religious fundamentalist right-wing agendas only want to impose moralism from bygone days in the 21st century and Libertarians want to deregulate the US economy, corporations will get away with more unethical conduct. And their focus is on getting richer off the backs of the working-class, despite all this talk they oppose "high" taxation while they severely cut public social welfare programs and overfunded the military defense budget in wars obviously backed by corporations of the military-industrial complex. The right-wing agenda is screwing with our lives, it's not about ending "big" government, they are seriously depleting prosperity into the hands of a few CEOs and billionaires (about 500 of them in the US).

And Liberalism or socialism is more about political correctness...and elements of Marxism, once a political taboo or ideological anathema in the US American culture. No society or government was ever totally equal, no matter they try to abolish class divisions, racial groupings or gender roles which the former Soviet Union and People's Republic of China have tried before. It's impossible to distribute lots of income wealth from the rich to the middle class or poor, you just can't eliminate castes in any given society. The left wants us not be racist, be environmentally friendly and pay our "fair" share of taxation...can you be 100% free of racism, ecologically destructive habits and selfish/egocentric greed??? Most of us won't do these things, but we're accused of such un-PC habits anyway. The PC-liberal-progressive crowd aren't moral, ethical or social engineers: not everyone will avoid smoking cigarettes, eating animal by-products and driving gas-operated cars...you can't legislate morality or politically correct everyone.

Edited by Mike D boy, 28 February 2015 - 10:55 PM.

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Posted 01 March 2015 - 01:38 AM

View Postspartan max2, on 28 February 2015 - 05:47 AM, said:

I know this isn't the main point of your thread but if that's how you see right wing politics then you don't really understand it at all


Everyone wants what's best we all just have diffrent solutions and values

Thought this thread was dead.

You're missing the point. Each is what the other sees, not the reality. I understand the factions aren't that simple..It's that most are being used. Left, right whatever. Call it manufacturing outrage. The 80-90's were about manufactured consent. 2000-2020 is all about outrage-most of it misplaced in the big pictures and long runs.

My point is we all must learn to be critical thinkers and harsh fact checkers. The largest media outlets no longer perform their job as the 4rth check and balance on corruption and greed.

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Posted 02 March 2015 - 12:13 PM

View PostVarelse, on 01 March 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

My point is we all must learn to be critical thinkers and harsh fact checkers. The largest media outlets no longer perform their job as the 4rth check and balance on corruption and greed.

As I read  this article something  clicked about your post and how critical politics are for our Military especially for our soldiers, and well I thought it belonged here with your post .
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Posted 03 March 2015 - 09:53 PM

Facts such as  Iran's support of the Hezbollah in Labanon. Matter to the U.S .


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