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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:51 AM

I recently finished a book by Joel Richardson on the topic and the proofs he puts forward are astounding. They fly completely in the face of accepted doctrine from the past 100 years or so. Please allow this to be a civil discussion - no bashing intended or allowed. Those interested in eschatology can discuss this earnestly without such behavior.  
The accepted interpretation of the origin of the AC has been that he will lead a ten nation confederation based in Rome but Richardson's work disputes this carefully and I'm having trouble finding holes in his reasoning. Help if you can.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:55 AM

What is the name of this book if you dont mind?


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 04:58 AM

View PostpumpkinheadOO, on 26 February 2014 - 04:55 AM, said:

What is the name of this book if you dont mind?
MIDEAST BEAST: The scriptural case for an Islamic Antichrist

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:04 AM

Hmm, seems interesting. I'll have to read it.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:17 AM

View PostNighthawk9653, on 26 February 2014 - 05:04 AM, said:

Hmm, seems interesting. I'll have to read it.
I have been interested in eschatology for many years and this work of his is very controversial. It makes a lot of sense and is very logical but it has many detractors who stick to tradition. It's an eye opener for sure.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:21 AM

View Postand then, on 26 February 2014 - 04:51 AM, said:

I recently finished a book by Joel Richardson on the topic and the proofs he puts forward are astounding.
What kind of proofs does he put forward? Scriptures and his interpretation of them? Book of Revelation?

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They fly completely in the face of accepted doctrine from the past 100 years or so. Please allow this to be a civil discussion - no bashing intended or allowed. Those interested in eschatology can discuss this earnestly without such behavior.  

The accepted interpretation of the origin of the AC has been that he will lead a ten nation confederation based in Rome but Richardson's work disputes this carefully and I'm having trouble finding holes in his reasoning. Help if you can.
Didn't you just write that his proofs fly in the face of doctrine? Then how can it be so hard to find holes?

I'd find it easy to beleive that the AC will be European, but just as easy to believe he will be Middle Eastern. Isn't he supposed to unite most of the worlds nations and try to unite all religions? He could come from just about any background.

I believe that the AntiChrist is mentioned only in the New Testiment and he is called the False Prophet, in the Book of Revelations.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:32 AM

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Please take no offense at my comments, friend. But I question the motives of such 'theological' writings in the sense that it seems to me that it fits a well established niche that targets neo-Conservative Evangelical Christians. Indeed, I see it as a form of western propaganda that is essentially nothing more than fear-mongering. Why must we always paint Muslims as the proverbial 'bad guy'? For me, I see the radical rise of secular humanism as being the bigger threat...to people of all religions, Muslims included. I see someone like a...certain president of a certain country...as more fitting of the pattern as a TYPE of the Anti-Christ. Or a Hitler or a Stalin. Worship of the state. Worship of humanity and supposed human progress. I feel that is the real area of concern.

I noted that you study eschatology; to that I must ask...have you ever studied Islamic eschatology? If you haven't I highly recommend it....because you will find it eerily similar to Christian eschatology, even to the point where they believe Jesus Christ will literally return to earth and lead the elect in a final battle against the forces of Satan.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:38 AM

My memory might be fuzzy, but shouldn't the anti-Christ appear to be like Christ so more then likely a Jew?

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 05:55 AM

I thought he was from the Bible.


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Posted 26 February 2014 - 06:08 AM

Matthew 24:36

“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

Revelation 3:11

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:30 AM

To add to that: Matthew 16:28; "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Must be a two thousand year old disciple out there.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 07:38 AM

Well, when the Jewish and early Christian writers were speculating about the Apocalypse, they'd have been thinking about the world that they knew, wouldn't they, so of course they'd assume that he'd come from that part of the world, so the choice would pretty much be either Middle Eastern or those parts of Europe (i.e. Greece and Rome) that they'd have regular contact with. They wouldn't be likely to speculate that the Antichrist would come from America or China, since they'd have no idea that those places existed.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:12 AM

When Monks from the middle ages were being killed (for fun), or kidnapped (for there literacy) by Vikings, the "End Times" was considered to be then.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:19 AM

View PostMarcus Aurelius, on 26 February 2014 - 05:32 AM, said:

and then,

Please take no offense at my comments, friend. But I question the motives of such 'theological' writings in the sense that it seems to me that it fits a well established niche that targets neo-Conservative Evangelical Christians. Indeed, I see it as a form of western propaganda that is essentially nothing more than fear-mongering. Why must we always paint Muslims as the proverbial 'bad guy'? For me, I see the radical rise of secular humanism as being the bigger threat...to people of all religions, Muslims included. I see someone like a...certain president of a certain country...as more fitting of the pattern as a TYPE of the Anti-Christ. Or a Hitler or a Stalin. Worship of the state. Worship of humanity and supposed human progress. I feel that is the real area of concern.

I noted that you study eschatology; to that I must ask...have you ever studied Islamic eschatology? If you haven't I highly recommend it....because you will find it eerily similar to Christian eschatology, even to the point where they believe Jesus Christ will literally return to earth and lead the elect in a final battle against the forces of Satan.
Actually you should really read Richardson's book. He is far from being a hater.  He is a scholar and sets his case with great precision from books of the old testament and from historical sources of that day. For example, the admonition that the AC will be from the "people" of the prince to come, the one who destroyed the temple, he finds to be a direct description of the Syrians and others who made up the bulk of the Roman Legions who destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD.  By that time Roman Legions other than the Praetorian were mostly provincials and he cites a couple of other sources beside Josephus who validate the claim that it was "neighbors" who were used to destroy the Jews.
And I have studied Islamic eschatology to a small extent.  Tell me Marcus, what else do they expect Isa to do?  Particularly to the crosses and the swine?  You see, if you line up a description of Nabih Isa with the false prophet of Christianity it IS in fact eerily similar.  You REALLY should read this book.

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Posted 26 February 2014 - 11:28 AM

View PostAlmagest, on 26 February 2014 - 07:30 AM, said:

To add to that: Matthew 16:28; "Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

Must be a two thousand year old disciple out there.

The high priest of the Sanhedrin, chief priests, the elders, and the scribes might still be
around too?

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