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Nostradamus predicted the moon landing hoax


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#16    Likely Guy

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 02:58 AM

View Postturbonium, on 15 March 2014 - 01:42 AM, said:

To suggest I'm "bending" the quatrains, nothing more  - well, that's your opinion.

I agree that the quatrains are cryptic, and that they seem so vague that anything could be 'predicted' with them

But it's not so, at least in this case, anyway.


These quatrains cannot be properly, legitimately interpreted in any other way...

For example..

The Sun, hidden, eclipsed by Mercury.

This 'Sun' is described as being 'placed only second in the skies' (or 'heavens').

So we know this 'Sun' is in the skies. And so is 'Mercury'.

It cannot be more clear on that.

The whole quatrain has to hold up, as well. Not just part(s) of it.

As it does here.


As all 4 of these quatrains do.

While the plant Mercury is at times between the planet Earth and the Sun, Mercury cannot eclipse the Sun.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 03:05 AM

I think followers of Nostradamus manipulate the wording of the quatrains to whatever they want. I don't believe anything by Nostradamus.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 05:13 AM

View PostPeter B, on 10 March 2014 - 02:04 AM, said:


Maybe so. But the quatrains can only be considered accurate predictions if the Apollo missions were faked. As the quatrains themselves can't be proof of that, you still have to prove that Apollo was faked. Assuming you do so, then what you've demonstrated is that your interpretation of Nostradamus appears to support that evidence. And the problem with that (apart from proving Apollo was fake) is proving that your interpretation should be favoured over other people's interpretations.

The quatrains describe a faked moon landing, and Grissom's fiery fate.

What else does he say?

Do you recall the 'great scandal'  in one of the moon hoax quatrains?
Another quatrain describes the moon hoax as a 'secret',  which is 'discovered' later on. .


A moon hoax would be a secret, which we have not 'discovered' yet, right? It would cause quite the scandal, yes?    .    

If that's not a perfect description for Apollo, then I'd like to know what is!!


The moon landings are considered to be true,  by most people around the world. Every child is still taught that the moon landings are historical fact.

Even if I proved it was a hoax to you, it won't change anything. I can't change the scandal he predicted. You do realize that, no?



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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:00 AM

View PostPeter B, on 11 March 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Well, Turbonium is one such person. If you go to the Moon Landing Hoax thread in the Conspiracies section, you can see and judge his arguments for yourself.

You think he'll actually read my posts, do you?

I'm glad to see he's on your side of the debate, I've got to admit......


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 06:12 AM

View Postdannyboy52, on 15 March 2014 - 03:05 AM, said:

I think followers of Nostradamus manipulate the wording of the quatrains to whatever they want. I don't believe anything by Nostradamus.

Don't bother to show any evidence. Just take your word for it!!

Yikes.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 07:00 AM

View PostLikely Guy, on 15 March 2014 - 02:58 AM, said:

While the plant Mercury is at times between the planet Earth and the Sun, Mercury cannot eclipse the Sun.

Yes, that's correct. Mercury cannot eclipse the Sun.

You haven't read my interpretations, in which I go over this point.

To recap - the Sun isn't meant to be the actual Sun. Nor is Mercury meant to be the actual planet, Mercury.

He says the Sun is hidden, and is eclipsed by Mercury, and is placed only second in the skies/heavens.

They are both in the skies/heavens, like the real Sun / Mercury. So now...

What would be called a Sun that is in the skies/heavens, but would not be the actual Sun? A symbolic Sun, perhaps?

Apollo is the Sun (or Sun god) in Greek mythology. NASA's Apollo was in the skies/heavens...

Mercury makes sense now.


And so on...

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:19 AM

Wait, wasn't the Mercury project eclipsed by the Apollo project, not the other way around?  I mean, we didn't even accomplish any firsts with Mercury.  The Apollo flights pretty much ended the Space Race.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:28 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 15 March 2014 - 08:19 AM, said:

Wait, wasn't the Mercury project eclipsed by the Apollo project, not the other way around?  I mean, we didn't even accomplish any firsts with Mercury.  The Apollo flights pretty much ended the Space Race.

Apollo flew in LEO, while Mercury flew in near Earth orbit.

So Mercury was below Apollo.

Thus, Apollo was eclipsed by Mercury.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:33 AM

Mercury went from 1959 to 1963, Apollo from 1963 to 1972.  How could they eclipse when they didn't even overlap?


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:19 AM

Nosty said the Sun, which is Apollo, was put "only second" in the skies/heavens. Mercury,eclipses Apollo - so Mercury was first and Apollo was (only) second (in the skies/heavens).

In the very next quatrain, he confirms this.

"More than 11 times, the Moon will not want the Sun"

More than 11 times, the Moon will not want Apollo.

More than 11 Apollo missions will not reach the Moon.


There were more than 11 Apollo missions, as he said.

He could have said 'more than 10 times, for a nice, round number. Or, he could have said 15(?) times - the total number of Apollo missions.

Without doubt,  the most significant number associated with Apollo.is...the number 11.

Apollo 11.

It makes perfect sense.

And he also says Apollo (the Sun) is put so low it is not much of an achievement. It confirms the previous quatrain, where Apollo is placed  "only second in the skies/heavens'.... . .

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:50 AM

View Postturbonium, on 15 March 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

Nosty said the Sun, which is Apollo, was put "only second" in the skies/heavens. Mercury,eclipses Apollo - so Mercury was first and Apollo was (only) second (in the skies/heavens).

To make this fit, you have to explain why Nostradamus didn't count the Gemini missions ?

The fact is that by using your definition Apollo was third in the sky !

If you count the Vostok and Voshkod  spacecrafts, Apollo was Fifth.
There is no reason to believe that Nostradamus would only count American spacecrafts, so if he was so good at predicting, where is his prediction of Gagarin ?
His mission is one of the most significant achievements in history, yet not a single word from Nostradamus ?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:52 AM

View Postturbonium, on 15 March 2014 - 09:19 AM, said:

Nosty said the Sun, which is Apollo, was put "only second" in the skies/heavens. Mercury,eclipses Apollo -
so Mercury was first and Apollo was (only) second (in the skies/heavens).

That`s incorrect because the correct order of the US space missions in discussion is a follows:
Last MERCURY mission, orbital: 15.05.1963
First GEMINI mission, orbital: 23.03.1965. In total 10 orbital GEMINI missions.
First APOLLO mission, ballistic (AS201): 26.02.1966
First APOLLO mission, orbital (AS203): 06.07.1968

As aquatus1 stated already, there was never a situation where a MERCURY spacecraft were able
to "eclipse" an APOLLO spacecraft.

BTW: "Nosty"?

Edited by toast, 15 March 2014 - 09:54 AM.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:53 AM

View Postaquatus1, on 15 March 2014 - 08:33 AM, said:

Mercury went from 1959 to 1963, Apollo from 1963 to 1972.  How could they eclipse when they didn't even overlap?

The Sun is not eclipsed by Mercury, right?

It is not a literal eclipse, it is a figurative eclipse.

It's not the Sun, it is Apollo missions. It's not planet Mercury, it's the Mercury missions.


Saying the Sun is eclipsed by Mercury means Apollo flies slightly above the Mercury missions. As in Apollo is "only" second in the skies/heavens. Not such a great feat..


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:55 AM

I guess great minds think alike toast :tsu:

Turbinium you are still ignoring the other missions mentioned !

Edited by Noteverythingisaconspiracy, 15 March 2014 - 09:56 AM.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 10:28 AM

View Postturbonium, on 15 March 2014 - 09:53 AM, said:

As in Apollo is "only" second in the skies/heavens. Not such a great feat..

False, check post #27 even it hurts you.

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