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Gwenyth Todd - Whistleblower on Planned War

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#1    Phaeton80

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 07:33 PM

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More propaganda from the shrewd Iranians no doubt. Trying to start a war, with Iran or any other country, is not something (any part of) the political leadership of the USA could possibly aspire.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 07:47 PM

Don't be silly, it's only backward and aggressive countries like Russia that want to provoke wars.
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Posted 12 March 2014 - 08:41 PM

The U.S. has a huge financial commitment to ongoing military conflict.  We, the usa (good ol' Uncle Sam), have trillions of $$ invested in new warplanes.  Is there a plan or purpose to use these VERY expensive warplanes?  oh yeah...


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Posted 12 March 2014 - 09:06 PM

So her story is so credible that ONLY an arm of the Iranian government will broadcast it?  There are numerous anti war spokespeople in the US.  I find it very difficult to take what she says at face value.  The most obvious flaw is that she makes herself seem FAR more important than any individual in a position at the level she held would have been.  Not to mention that if a serious effort to start a war was underway there WOULD be a war.  Attacking Iran with troops would be a foolish move but continuing sanctions?  Why is that suddenly such a problem?  If there is a conspiracy I'd say the evidence points more to those who want to allow Iran to recover from the effects of the ONLY thing that might peacefully end a threat of nuclear weapons from this rogue state.  But of course the sagacious crowd here will shout that down.  I will wait with much amusement to the day when Iran announces (or is caught) that it has decided to become a nuclear weapons state.  The response here will be very predictable.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:09 PM

Interesting clip but you already know that something is fishy from the get go.  That opening quote about her ďknowing something bad was about to happenĒ.  If you have ever spent time in a military helicopter, youíd know that it is normal to leak hydraulic fluid from the rotor hub.  This sets the level (low) of credibility of her statements.  She is speaking in half-truths because she does not comprehend the situation.  She was at such a low level that she was trying to make sense out of incomplete information.  Then at the end, we find out that her Turkish business friend is dead.  The implication is that he was assassinated for helping her out.  She sure is full of herself.  If this were a plot, then she would have been dead and not her friend.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 10:18 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 12 March 2014 - 10:09 PM, said:

Interesting clip but you already know that something is fishy from the get go.  That opening quote about her "knowing something bad was about to happen".  If you have ever spent time in a military helicopter, you'd know that it is normal to leak hydraulic fluid from the rotor hub.  This sets the level (low) of credibility of her statements.  She is speaking in half-truths because she does not comprehend the situation.  She was at such a low level that she was trying to make sense out of incomplete information.  Then at the end, we find out that her Turkish business friend is dead.  The implication is that he was assassinated for helping her out.  She sure is full of herself.  If this were a plot, then she would have been dead and not her friend.
You don't get high level security clearance if you don't comprehend the situation.
You don't get onto the National security Council if your a nobody.

I think you are projecting what you want to believe here, America would never be that evil - would they.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 12 March 2014 - 10:26 PM.

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Posted 12 March 2014 - 11:32 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 12 March 2014 - 10:18 PM, said:

You don't get high level security clearance if you don't comprehend the situation.
If her clearance was SCI as it appeared to be, then her knowledge is highly compartmentalized.  That usually means that she does not have NTK for other pieces of information that perhaps an admiral would.  Thatís why she was trying pump information out of others that didnít know everything either.  When you bring those two things together, you still donít know anything.

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You don't get onto the National security Council if your a nobody.
The NSC has tons of low level agents doing their thing, providing that one little bit of information that their superiors cull together to pass on to their superiors.  That way, only those at the top know what is going on and in the world of secrets, intel, and intrigue, that is vital.

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I think you are projecting what you want to believe here,
Iím projecting that we only see the pov of someone at a low to mid level position that thinks she knows whatís going on and filling the holes with imagination.  We also see the clip jumping around piecing unrelated things together to come to a bad conclusion.

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America would never be that evil - would they.
Well, thatís all relative.  What someone not aware may call evil, I would call righteous in that it defends this nation.  The implication of the film makes the US out to be the bad guy.  But if you understand what is happening then there is some heavy $-hit going down and our people are on top of it.  But the thing is, is that heavy $-hit is always going down and if we didnít have people on top of it, perhaps even keeping it confidential, we would be in a world of hurt here in this country.  Most people are under the impression that bad things canít happen here and thatís the way to keep it.

Give the low information voter bread and circuses and keep him believing that he his being taken care of.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 07:50 AM

Starting a war to further the Zionist interests is just fine then. Your a dangerous joke Ravenhawk.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 02:25 PM

Br Cornelius, thanks for your words of support. There is nothing one can do about the angry Ravenhawks of this world.  The person apparently has no idea what he/she is talking about nor about how the NSC nor Pentagon nor Washington works, which is understandable.  It is a very confusing place.  I find outsiders put an awful lot of unnecessary weight on security clearances and access.  I can count on one hand the things I have seen at the ultra secret Compartmentalized level that did not also appear in the press.  When in government, being invited to small-group meetings and being known as someone with personal access to key decision makers is probably more useful than one's actual clearance level because people come to you, in an informal setting, to tell you things you would otherwise not see, often in the hope that you can help them either promote or discourage a particular policy or planned action.  I did have clearances with names so secret that one is not even allowed to utter the name of the compartment, let alone the sub-compartment, but I do not claim to know more than others, or even as much as others.  I was asked to tell my story (unpaid), and I did.  I have since been called everything from a wannabe to a Zionist agent, to an Iranian apologist to a **** to a criminal.  It is actually rather funny how emotional people who have never met me or spoken to me or contacted me get as they launch attacks on my character and credibility.  I wonder why they find me so threatening?  Anyway, I only tell my story as it happened, and then only when asked, and I am not trying to convince anyone of anything in particular.  Ravenhawk and his/her ilk will have an opportunity to question my expertise and agenda on another contentious topic when a new film comes out on Showtime next month, so they will have something to look forward to.  I remain unpaid by these interviewers and unfazed by these critics and I only talk to the media about what I saw when they approach me, not the other way around.  Ravenhawk can relax because eventually these various media outlets will no doubt stop spending travel money and time having to drive long distances over unpaved roads out to the wilds of Australia to interview me when they could apparently be getting much better analysis from the Ravenhawks of this world back at home!


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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:25 PM

View PostGwenyth, on 13 March 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Br Cornelius, thanks for your words of support. There is nothing one can do about the angry Ravenhawks of this world.  The person apparently has no idea what he/she is talking about nor about how the NSC nor Pentagon nor Washington works, which is understandable.  It is a very confusing place.  I find outsiders put an awful lot of unnecessary weight on security clearances and access.  I can count on one hand the things I have seen at the ultra secret Compartmentalized level that did not also appear in the press.  When in government, being invited to small-group meetings and being known as someone with personal access to key decision makers is probably more useful than one's actual clearance level because people come to you, in an informal setting, to tell you things you would otherwise not see, often in the hope that you can help them either promote or discourage a particular policy or planned action.  I did have clearances with names so secret that one is not even allowed to utter the name of the compartment, let alone the sub-compartment, but I do not claim to know more than others, or even as much as others.  I was asked to tell my story (unpaid), and I did.  I have since been called everything from a wannabe to a Zionist agent, to an Iranian apologist to a **** to a criminal.  It is actually rather funny how emotional people who have never met me or spoken to me or contacted me get as they launch attacks on my character and credibility.  I wonder why they find me so threatening?  Anyway, I only tell my story as it happened, and then only when asked, and I am not trying to convince anyone of anything in particular.  Ravenhawk and his/her ilk will have an opportunity to question my expertise and agenda on another contentious topic when a new film comes out on Showtime next month, so they will have something to look forward to.  I remain unpaid by these interviewers and unfazed by these critics and I only talk to the media about what I saw when they approach me, not the other way around.  Ravenhawk can relax because eventually these various media outlets will no doubt stop spending travel money and time having to drive long distances over unpaved roads out to the wilds of Australia to interview me when they could apparently be getting much better analysis from the Ravenhawks of this world back at home!

Thats you in the video Gwenyth?

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:30 PM

View PostGwenyth, on 13 March 2014 - 02:25 PM, said:

Br Cornelius, thanks for your words of support. There is nothing one can do about the angry Ravenhawks of this world.  The person apparently has no idea what he/she is talking about nor about how the NSC nor Pentagon nor Washington works, which is understandable.  It is a very confusing place.  
Wow kewl!  This is pretty amazing if this is the real Gwenyth and that you just happen to find this forum to make your 1st reply.  Are you that insecure?  I had to go back and reread my post.  I didnít see any anger in it, just doubt on your credibility.  I just love it when people tell me I donít know what I am talking about.  Letís just say that I am in a ďsimilarĒ field that you were in.  I.e. I still hold clearances.  Iíve seen your kind before.  I know the nature of information out there and itís easy to take something out of context, especially if you are intimidated by the military.  I am not part of the Washington scene but my brother is.  I know what it is like from him.  I wonder what he would say about you?  I donít think you are an agent, apologist, or criminal.  I just think you got in way over your head and ended up a pawn.  The only thing you could do is play it to the hilt or run away and get out of the way.  Itís serious business.

The thing is is that it was no secret that part of the reason going into Iraq was to have bases to attack Iran from.  With Afghanistan, would give us a classic pincher action.  However by 2007, would not have been a good time to go to war with Iran.  Even though we were just next door, the logistics werenít there for a full scale attack.  We needed time to consolidate our position in Iraq first and that was a multigenerational endeavor.  Iran had stopped their nuclear program so as long as we were active in Iraq that gave us time to build up influence that would flow over the border.  However, the 5th column in Iran misconstrued Obamaís speech in Cairo in 2009 as the signal to topple the regime.  They were looking to us for aid and it never came.  So with Obama, we have missed every opportunity to make any significant progress in taming Iran.  What a colossal fiasco.

Sailing the fleet into the Gulf was not necessarily trying to start WWIII like you believe.  But it was intend on showing Iranís hand.  It was a Cold War tactic.  Looking at limited action to squash coastal defenses leaving Iran defenseless would have been far more preferable.  Killing a diplomat would not have set off a war.  I donít see us at war with Libya.  Obamaís been going after the low hanging fruit, Gaddhafi and Bin Laden but doesnít have the presence of mind of consequences of two steps ahead.  

Seize the initiative and make them react to us.  Iím sure that is what the Admiral was intent on.  And Iím sure you saw it as a prelude to war.  Why go to war when you can force it to collapse from inside?  All you need is pressure.  Because we failed to stay and put pressure on Iran, we have assured that the next war will come.  And it will cost us more blood and treasure.

Iím curious, why did you allow the film editor to piece together the implication that your Turkish backer was perhaps assassinated by us because he was supporting you?  That is one of the things that bring a lot of doubts on your story.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:36 PM

Gets out popcorn.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:41 PM

I hope she comes back

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 04:51 PM

If she does come back, dont screw this up Raven. This chic could be the next snowden, and we had her individed attention.

Ask what you want, whatever. Just please be respectful.

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Posted 13 March 2014 - 05:22 PM

View PostRavenHawk, on 13 March 2014 - 04:30 PM, said:

Wow kewl!  This is pretty amazing if this is the real Gwenyth and that you just happen to find this forum to make your 1st reply.  Are you that insecure?  I had to go back and reread my post.  I didn't see any anger in it, just doubt on your credibility.  I just love it when people tell me I don't know what I am talking about.  Let's just say that I am in a "similar" field that you were in.  I.e. I still hold clearances.  I've seen your kind before.  I know the nature of information out there and it's easy to take something out of context, especially if you are intimidated by the military.  I am not part of the Washington scene but my brother is.  I know what it is like from him.  I wonder what he would say about you?  I don't think you are an agent, apologist, or criminal.  I just think you got in way over your head and ended up a pawn.  The only thing you could do is play it to the hilt or run away and get out of the way.  It's serious business.

The thing is is that it was no secret that part of the reason going into Iraq was to have bases to attack Iran from.  With Afghanistan, would give us a classic pincher action.  However by 2007, would not have been a good time to go to war with Iran.  Even though we were just next door, the logistics weren't there for a full scale attack.  We needed time to consolidate our position in Iraq first and that was a multigenerational endeavor.  Iran had stopped their nuclear program so as long as we were active in Iraq that gave us time to build up influence that would flow over the border.  However, the 5th column in Iran misconstrued Obama's speech in Cairo in 2009 as the signal to topple the regime.  They were looking to us for aid and it never came.  So with Obama, we have missed every opportunity to make any significant progress in taming Iran.  What a colossal fiasco.

Sailing the fleet into the Gulf was not necessarily trying to start WWIII like you believe.  But it was intend on showing Iran's hand.  It was a Cold War tactic.  Looking at limited action to squash coastal defenses leaving Iran defenseless would have been far more preferable.  Killing a diplomat would not have set off a war.  I don't see us at war with Libya.  Obama's been going after the low hanging fruit, Gaddhafi and Bin Laden but doesn't have the presence of mind of consequences of two steps ahead.  

Seize the initiative and make them react to us.  I'm sure that is what the Admiral was intent on.  And I'm sure you saw it as a prelude to war.  Why go to war when you can force it to collapse from inside?  All you need is pressure.  Because we failed to stay and put pressure on Iran, we have assured that the next war will come.  And it will cost us more blood and treasure.

I'm curious, why did you allow the film editor to piece together the implication that your Turkish backer was perhaps assassinated by us because he was supporting you?  That is one of the things that bring a lot of doubts on your story.
Ah, so never mind imposing Freedom on the persecuted people of Iraq, or the imaginary Weapons of mass Evil that Saddam was waiting to destroy us all with, even those who supported it are now admitting that it (and operation Endless War, or whatever it was they called the Afghan adventure) was primarily about providing a handy launchpad for the war that America really wanted, because iran had been Evil enough to thumb their noses at Uncle Sam. Truth will come out eventually.

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