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NY mayor won't march in St. Patrick's parade


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#1    Michelle

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:10 PM

Mayor Bill de Blasio will not be marching in the St. Patrick's Day parade, deciding to skip one of his city's signature celebrations because the event organizers refuse to let participants carry pro-gay signs.
De Blasio will become the first mayor in decades to sit out the traditional march along Fifth Avenue.
"I will be participating in a number of other events to honor the Irish heritage of this city," said de Blasio on Tuesday during an unrelated press conference at City Hall. "But I simply disagree with the organizers of that parade."
The parade, a tradition that predates the city itself, draws more than 1 million people each March 17 to line one of Manhattan's most famous thoroughfares to watch about 200,000 participants. It has long been a mandatory stop on the city's political trail, and will include marching bands, traditional Irish dancers and thousands of uniformed city workers.

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Why do people feel they have a right to insert their own agenda into everything and anything? They didn't say gays couldn't participate...they just can't carry signs.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:26 PM

Event organizers think they can stop people from carrying signs? LOL

People have a right to insert their own agendas because they have the freedom of expression.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:33 PM

View PostYamato, on 15 March 2014 - 08:26 PM, said:

Event organizers think they can stop people from carrying signs? LOL

People have a right to insert their own agendas because they have the freedom of expression.

You didn't read the article did you? It was talking about people who are participating/marching in the parade...not bystanders.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

View PostMichelle, on 15 March 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

You didn't read the article did you? It was talking about people who are participating/marching in the parade...not bystanders.
People.  That's who I'm talking about.

If you want to hold some Irish sign in a Gay Pride parade, what gives you the crazy idea you don't have that right?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:38 PM

Gay people don't usually follow a religion that makes them violently dislike the Irish though.

....as darkly hilarious as that would be.

Allowed or not, I can't imagine feeling safe as a gay man surrounded by a massive crowd of drunken irishmen

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:42 PM

View PostScheming B, on 15 March 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

Gay people don't usually follow a religion that makes them violently dislike the Irish though.

....as darkly hilarious as that would be.

Allowed or not, I can't imagine feeling safe as a gay man surrounded by a massive crowd of drunken irishmen
Exercising our rights doesn't generally confer a greater sense of safety.   If it's security we want, we won't have many rights left after we get it.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:43 PM

View PostYamato, on 15 March 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

People.  That's who I'm talking about.

If you want to hold some Irish sign in a Gay Pride parade, what gives you the crazy idea you don't have that right?

The gay pride parade is funded, owned and endorsed by an organization. If they didn't want PETA, The Black Panthers or the Catholic Church promoting themselves it is their right.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:49 PM

Is every other person marching in the event banned from making political statements?  If so there's nothing wrong with the move.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

I think that people of Irish descent should be able to carry "pro-gay" signs in the parade to show their support for the queer community, especially considering that the Irish American community (and particularly the Catholic members of the community) is known for homophobia and transphobia. That being said, I think they should stick to signs that pertain to the theme of the parade (celebrating their Irish heritage), along with messages of queer solidarity. For example, a sign could read, "Proud to be Irish AND queer".


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

View PostWickian, on 15 March 2014 - 08:49 PM, said:

Is every other person marching in the event banned from making political statements?  If so there's nothing wrong with the move.

That's right! They aren't singling out gays.


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Posted 15 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

View PostYamato, on 15 March 2014 - 08:42 PM, said:

Exercising our rights doesn't generally confer a greater sense of safety.   If it's security we want, we won't have many rights left after we get it.

By that same logic, isn't within the organizer's rights to not allow pro-gay signs if that's in their beliefs?

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:08 PM

View PostCora Calliope, on 15 March 2014 - 08:52 PM, said:

I think that people of Irish descent should be able to carry "pro-gay" signs in the parade to show their support for the queer community, especially considering that the Irish American community (and particularly the Catholic members of the community) is known for homophobia and transphobia. That being said, I think they should stick to signs that pertain to the theme of the parade (celebrating their Irish heritage), along with messages of queer solidarity. For example, a sign could read, "Proud to be Irish AND queer".
I don't think you would get that statement "Proud to be Irish and queer", because you may be, but the Irish community, are a "queer" lot and would probably bar you from all Irish clubs,pubs etcetera, so they would,to be sure.Slainte.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:09 PM

View PostMichelle, on 15 March 2014 - 08:43 PM, said:

The gay pride parade is funded, owned and endorsed by an organization. If they didn't want PETA, The Black Panthers or the Catholic Church promoting themselves it is their right.
Okay so if I pull out the wrong sign during a march, you support doing what to me exactly?

View PostScheming B, on 15 March 2014 - 08:53 PM, said:

By that same logic, isn't within the organizer's rights to not allow pro-gay signs if that's in their beliefs?
I'm not the one pushing the "logic" that anyone has any rights that infringe on the rights of anyone else.   They have the right to want whatever they want.   What you think they have the "right" to do if they don't get what they want, I have no idea.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:12 PM

As long leprechauns in assless chaps are not in the parade I could care less.

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Posted 15 March 2014 - 09:14 PM

View PostYamato, on 15 March 2014 - 09:09 PM, said:

I'm not the one pushing the "logic" that anyone has any rights that infringe on the rights of anyone else.   They have the right to want whatever they want.   What you think they have the "right" to do if they don't get what they want, I have no idea.

I'm being realistic.  if a group of same minded aggressive people don't get what they want rights dont make all much difference.

are you implying that im claiming gay bashing is a right?

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