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#1    fluxed

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 05:55 PM

Egypt....

Moses lived alongside pharaoh, when Amen was the state god; a very famous god.

So Moses must have known about this god, Amen [ The hidden one ] .
Amen remains hidden to this day, in christianity, Islam - all major religions include
praise to Amen[ covertly].

So does freemasonry.

Following Moses, the jewish nation formed. The jews were later involved
in the creation of all the popular religions today, and they all praise Amen.

All the days of the week are pagan namings - Wednesday for example,
a dedication to Odin, the royal god of hanging.

Did royalty select hanging for a particular reason then?

Sun day, was named after the sun [ Ra ].

So on Ra day, millions of people say Amen.

Amen-Ra are worshipped to this day, without many even knowing it.
At least back in ancient Egypt, it was open.


Could it be a multi-religious conspiracy?

I demand declaration.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 05:59 PM

Like most conspiracy theories, this is born out of reading waaaaay to much into history and connecting dots as you want them to be connected.

By the way, in reference to "the Jews creating all the popular religions today": Do you have any evidence of Jewish involvement in the creation of Hinduism, Shinto, or any of the other religions of the East?

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

well I was totally fluxed out by this post, wow!


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:02 PM

Aint Books Great  ? I love these old stories ! :innocent:
Now how did they Build those funny looking temples ?

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:14 PM

View PostDecoNoir, on 25 March 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

Like most conspiracy theories, this is born out of reading waaaaay to much into history and connecting dots as you want them to be connected.

It is only a conspiracy, when the facts are not there.
Whereas i clearly outline the facts above.

Only a mason would deny plain truth....hmmm...

Lets address please...

1) Do you deny Moses lived alongside pharaoh when Amen was the state god?
2) Do you deny that sun day was named after the Sun?
3) Do you deny that Wednesday was named after Odin[Woden-god of hanging]?


Other than the last bit, concerning my 'conspiracy question',
do you agree with all the supporting evidence, and if not please
specify?


View PostDecoNoir, on 25 March 2014 - 05:59 PM, said:

By the way, in reference to "the Jews creating all the popular religions today": Do you have any evidence of Jewish involvement in the creation of Hinduism, Shinto, or any of the other religions of the East?

As i hint, my research concludes that moses was pharaonic.
Thus, the jewish royal bloodline was Egyptian, which explains all the
adopting of customs and administration etc...

The pharaonic bloodline was involved in all official religions on Earth today.
Back in ancient times , there was one world religion - paganism.
Egypt was the first pagan nation. [ evidenced with sphinx / hieroglyphics etc]

I demand declaration.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:26 PM

I think it's ignorant to dismiss this without some proper reason because it's too easy for a layman to see the connection, at least the Sunday-Sun-Ra-Amen, amen on sunday. Monday's much like Moon day, dont know what tuesday is but thorsday and freyday are plain visible (yes I watched the movie). And saturday, Saturn-day, just add n.

I've seen the Ring of Power documentary & conspiracy theory film, 5 hours or so, watched it and tried to subtitle it a bit too, gave up though but the parts about arc of the covenant and all the stuff they use to link current european (mainly british and danish if I remember right) roaylty symbols and history to old israeli tribes, are interesting for a novice to watch. As largely unfamiliar to history subject and with a distrust to the "main historian community", I dont put too much weight on either side.

But as far as conspiracies go, I dont know if this one's a conspiracy, might be more likely it's just a habit people have adopted and a series of habits that stuck and changed form. I've heard talk of how people are supposed to unite under one religion, one government etc one world order. Just like forming unions which become new states and ultimately one all-world wide government might be just a "natural consequence" or "accident"... who knows if it is, and who knows the reasons some people want this to happen. I know there's people who want this to happen though, my mother for example is one, for innocent or blue-eyed reasons tho. Who knows the reasons people have when you go to the bottoms, but people have this agenda going on some level. People who seek unification instead of chopping the world up to smaller nations. I'm not going to say it's all an insidious work of covenant though it might as well be, does it make a difference? It's still a thing which people choose to uphold for their reasons, and the reasons should be addressed because they're the root cause. And not that unification would be bad, but I dont think it's the only good.

But anyhow, how did you come up with Moses being a freemason and pharaonic? And possibly related to the creators of jewish religion? Sounds groundbreaking and something mainstream historians would deny, I'm not the one to make a judgement on that but am interested.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:27 PM

View Postfluxed, on 25 March 2014 - 06:14 PM, said:

It is only a conspiracy, when the facts are not there.
Whereas i clearly outline the facts above.

Only a mason would deny plain truth....hmmm...

Lets address please...

1) Do you deny Moses lived alongside pharaoh when Amen was the state god?
2) Do you deny that sun day was named after the Sun?
3) Do you deny that Wednesday was named after Odin[Woden-god of hanging]?

Son, if I had a dollar for every time I was accused of being a Mason/Illuminati/Government Agent, I could probably by the United States twice over, so don't even bother.

While I can somewhat agree with your conclusions to the naming of the days of the week (though I suggest you study up on languages since most of these words are of Nordic origin and have no relation to the languages of the Middle East), its quite a stretch to assume that a man like Moses lived when the only evidence of such is a single book of questionable historic significance.


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Other than the last bit, concerning my 'conspiracy question',
do you agree with all the supporting evidence, and if not please
specify?




As i hint, my research concludes that moses was pharaonic.
Thus, the jewish royal bloodline was Egyptian, which explains all the
adopting of customs and administration etc...

The pharaonic bloodline was involved in all official religions on Earth today.
Back in ancient times , there was one world religion - paganism.
Egypt was the first pagan nation. [ evidenced with sphinx / hieroglyphics etc]

Again, where is this involvement in the creation of religions from the far East? Hinduism predates just about everything you mention by at least a few thousand years.

I reject your reality, and substitute my own! Mostly because yours is boring as hell.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:29 PM

If this aint blatant...


'... a figure of the god of the lifted hand.' [The god Amen]

http://www.touregypt.net/amenra.htm

So Amen holds his hand up like a hitler salute, i would guess.

Lets have a look what the bible says...

“The Lord brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty
hand and with an outstretched arm” (Deut. xxvi. 8)

I think that is pretty clearly a strong connection.

This might interest you, concerning the god Amen...


...In the city of Amen,  a gigantic obelisk, called a Ben-Ben,
crowned with the globe of the Sun...

Ancient Egypt, set the time for the world - prime meridian.

Now London is the prime meridian, and has the BIG BEN.

Both penis and hand were symbols for Amen's
powers...Amen was a state god, a royal god.

When Egyptian soldiers returned from war ( a raid ),
strangely, they were required by pharaoh, to collect
( cut off ) only uncircumcised penises,
while the circumcised enemy had a hand cut off.
http://www.reshafim....ligion/amen.htm


This family group is loyal to its traditional god - Amen..
Evident by the fact that each major religion refers to Amen.

Speech from Amen(& Ra) to pharaoh Thutmose III;
''I have given you all the lands and foreign countries.''

Amen might well be declared to be the
"god of the world," especially during the
reign of Thutmose III.

Obelisks erected by Thutmose III,
now stand in Rome, the UK[London] and the USA

I demand declaration.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:40 PM

And since its now dawning on me that this whole thing is dependent on the belief that the Bible is the true history of humanity (and virtually every scrap of historical evidence suggest it isn't even close) I'm withdrawing from this.

Come up with a conspiracy that doesn't rely on gods and holy text, and you might have a little bit more to work with.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 06:44 PM

The language thing is a fair point, but you should consider the history of languages given and where they originated from/in. I dont know much about that, except that nordic languages (swedish, norway and danish, the viking lands) are related to english while the finnish language (Finland is also a scandinavian country but closer to Russia) is very different and closer to its southern neighbor Estonia and then Hungary language-wise. But finnish weekday names:
monday = maanantai,
tuesday = tiistai
wednesday = keskiviikko (middleweek in straight translation)
thursday = torstai
friday = perjantai (dunno how this would be translated to anything that'd relate, but link says refers to Venus day)
saturday = lauantai (nor this one, but link says refers to a sabbath & washing day)
sunday = sunnuntai
You can see certain days are clearly copied from our western neighbors, not from our eastern nor southern cousins. And Finland fell under the crusades in 1100 or something, as far as I remember from schoolbooks.

I dont know about the history value of bible, too much likely corruption related to its history, but it has been undeniably influental in making the history of europe.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:02 PM

Nope, if the aforesaid existed he lived long before the 18th century AD, which is the first time we can actually demonstrate any activities of non masons pretending to build something. Even in the best case, the earliest evidence we have would be the Regius poem... but that, even if attributable to some early form of Freemasonry, would still be 28 centuries later.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:28 PM

1.  Prove that "Moses" in the biblical sense is an actual person.

2. Then prove that the bible states historical fact.

Till then, your wall of text was really a waste of time typing out in the first place.

Edited by RaptorBites, 25 March 2014 - 07:28 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:44 PM

More often that not cultures will borrow stories from one another, and this includes local religions, such as the Mid-eastern Greeks-Hebrews- Egyptians-Muslims.  Note how the lords prayer in the bible, ends with the word Amen. Is it a word of praise ?  Or an actual prayer to Amen borrowed from the Egyptians ? And I think Moses was a Free-Hebrew


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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:47 PM

The word amen; "So be it; truly") is a declaration of affirmation[1][2] found in the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament. Its use in Judaism dates back to its earliest texts.[3] It has been generally adopted in Christian worship as a concluding word for prayers and hymns.[2] In Islam, it is the standard ending to Dua (supplication). Common English translations of the word amen include "verily" and "truly". It can also be used colloquially to express strong agreement,[2] as in, for instance, amen to that.[4]
i think your thinking of the Egyptian god amon/amun. theres also no proof of how to pronounce old Egyptian words.

The transliteration gives the reader some idea of how the words may have been pronounced, but nobody knows how ancient Egyptian, in any of its historical versions, sounded.
One of the difficulties is the complete absence of representation of vowel sounds in the hieroglyphic, hieratic or demotic system. This has resulted in a plethora of ways of how to transcribe Egyptian texts. The god Amen for instance is also represented as Ammon, Amon, Amun, Imen etc. If there are no historical clues "e" is used as default vowel.
Even when transcribers agree on how a word (probably) "sounded" at a certain time in history, its popular transcription will differ in the various European languages. French would spell the "u" sound in Tutankhamen as "ou", while the Dutch prefer "oe". A German will transcribe the Manuel de Codage X as "ch", in English "kh" is used, while a Spaniard might write "j".


Edited by Ever Learning, 25 March 2014 - 07:54 PM.

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Posted 25 March 2014 - 07:55 PM

A couple of the guys here at work are going with Illuminati. But I'm stickin with the Free-Hebrew thing.

Edited by Forever Cursed, 25 March 2014 - 07:56 PM.





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