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#16    fearfulone

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:31 AM

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ah the desperate cries of left wing socialists...i love it.....


how about the desperate cries from innocents iraqis who have found parts of their relatives lying among rubble?

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oh and Mr. Blair is oh so innocent correct?  geez, you people don't get it...i dont go telling you that Blair should be impeached (even if you think he should), i dont go to germany saying Schroeder should be impeached, i dont go to france saying Chirac should be impeached....it's mighty arrogant of those in other countries to tell us that Bush should be impeached, even if the minority (assuming by Kerry's votes 48% of america) may think so...u have no right to tell our country what to do as we have no right to force britain or germany or france into the war...it's a decision made by each individual country, stop trying to legislate the laws of the european union over here, it's your fault u joined the union, now live with it, we're smarter in the states, we like our individual borders and our individual laws and not being put under prosecution in a world court...have fun with that....

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:48 AM

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We can always hope for impeachment....
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ah the desperate cries of left wing socialists...i love it..... whistling2.gif

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Why do you insist on calling me a left wing socialist, You have no idea who I am, and I get a little tired of it. I am not.



Edited by stillcrazy, 04 November 2004 - 01:52 AM.


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Posted 04 November 2004 - 01:54 AM

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ah the desperate cries of left wing socialists...i love it..... whistling2.gif

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How would you know what SC is or isn't? I think you are trying to pigeonhole him in a spot he doesn't fit in, and you are being a bit out of line as well...

Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 03:47 AM

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how about the desperate cries from innocents iraqis who have found parts of their relatives lying among rubble?

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I assume you are talking about the ones Saddam Hussien tortured or gassed in the streets.  It was great that the US went in and put a stop to that.  Now if we can finish off the terrorists in Iraq, we'll be in good shape.


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Posted 04 November 2004 - 04:01 AM

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how about the desperate cries from innocents iraqis who have found parts of their relatives lying among rubble?

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I assume you are talking about the ones Saddam Hussien tortured or gassed in the streets.  It was great that the US went in and put a stop to that.  Now if we can finish off the terrorists in Iraq, we'll be in good shape.

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I think they were referring to the other dead iraqi civilians... the ones that died since we have "liberated" iraq.


Too many people on both sides of the spectrum have fallen into this mentality that a full one half of the country are the enemy for having different beliefs...in a country based on freedom of expression. It is this infighting that allows the focus to be taken away from "we the people" being able to watch, and have control over government corruption and ineptitude that is running rampant in our leadership.

People should be working towards fixing problems, not creating them.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 04:52 AM

all i can say is that you have a war mongor for another 4 years... lets see what else he can destroy.. how many lives and countries... you cant fight terrorism with terrorism.. violence begets violence..
fearfulone.. your arrogance is remarkable above all abounds.. you are smarter in the states?? lol @ the alis comment where its "his fault he joined the union" that is part of the govt.... (but hey, maybe he DID join the union, you may be onto something here.....) if you learnt anything in school (apart from american socialtization) you would learn that every govt in each part of the world is different. and if you want to live in a safer world, you work together not apart and not with the venom you are showing


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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:00 AM

In light of conversations I have had with Stillcrazy, I can assure those of you that maybe in some doubt...Stillcrazy is in no way a 'leftwing Socialist'.

On the matter of world opinion and 'concerns' regarding GWB...Well, world opinion didn't bother Adolf Hitler that much and he never had the awesome firepower that the US has at its disposal.

Even so...The US Army is used to defeat.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:27 AM

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Who cares, i dont care who wins britain, i dont care who wins ireland, i dont care who wins italy or france....


Now that's true red, white and blue!  

That’s just it isn't it, Americans don't give a f*** about nobody but them selves; and don’t say, “so why are we liberating the people of Iraq?” cause were not! – American G.O.P could give a rats *** about the people of Iraq. How many civilians dead? Killing these Muslim people does not liberate them, in fact, to many Christians it 's a ticket to hell because they don’t believe in J.C. as there personal savior.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:33 AM

Well said 4dplane...Frightening thoughts but explicitly well said.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:41 AM

A lot of the countries who are pro-Bush of course want to keep him in the chair, he keeps the focus on the Middle East so tight that the world can't focus on problems in these pro-Bush countries.  it's like when bin laden made people think bush would be best to continue his fight against him in the tape with his statements...reverse psychology,and know the other countries are using it too.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 05:47 AM

QUOTE(vimjams @ Nov 3 2004, 10:00 PM)

On the matter of world opinion and 'concerns' regarding GWB...Well, world opinion didn't bother Adolf Hitler that much and he never had the awesome firepower that the US has at its disposal.

Even so...The US Army is used to defeat.

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Hmm,speaking of Hitler,if it hadn't been for the US Army you'd be goose-stepping and yelling "Heil der Fuhrer" right now!


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Posted 04 November 2004 - 06:04 AM

The rest of the world would be wise to have an interest in US politics.  Our domestic and foreign policy has a profound effect on the world.  We always stick our noses in the business of other countries.  Why can't others stick their noses in our business?  We shouldn't be so hypocritical.

As far as oil goes, it is obvious that Bush went into Iraq with plans of long-term occupation.  This is to have a hand in how Iraq's oil is controlled.  It doesn't matter if gas prices are $2.45/gallon to Bush.  He's not interested in controlling oil to save America money at the pumps.  Higher prices are good for the oil companies he works for.

Also, little or no oil will not mean that electricity and all modern technologies will be lost.  Reduction of oil supplies will force the US to finally implement a widespread use of alternative energy or to invade other countries.  Alternative energy seems like a much better choice than World War III.  Thankfully, Bush won't be in office when that time comes.

I seriously think that the Bush administration thought Iraq would be won within a couple of years.  I think that most of the world now realizes that this war, most likely, can not be won.  What's more, a war on terror in general can not be won.  It's sad to think that so many more American troops will die in Iraq under the guise of freedom.  Also, one day we'll have to leave Iraq with our tail between our legs.  Sadly, Iraq will be left in a situation far worse than what they had under Saddam Hussein.


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Posted 04 November 2004 - 06:29 AM

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Hmm,speaking of Hitler,if it hadn't been for the US Army you'd be goose-stepping and yelling "Heil der Fuhrer" right now!

  
I think you'll find the US didn't save our European 'asses' all on their 'ownsome'. There was in fact a (world) effort to destroy the Axis armies...Not least the huge contribution of the Red army, and smaller sacrifices from countries you've probably never even heard of.

And as for "Heil der Fuhrer"...I see plenty of that coming from posts here on this board. Which tends to give me the impression that 'Nazism' wasn't defeated but simply (replaced).

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 06:38 AM

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I seriously think that the Bush administration thought Iraq would be won within a couple of years.  I think that most of the world now realizes that this war, most likely, can not be won.  What's more, a war on terror in general can not be won.  It's sad to think that so many more American troops will die in Iraq under the guise of freedom.  Also, one day we'll have to leave Iraq with our tail between our legs.  Sadly, Iraq will be left in a situation far worse than what they had under Saddam Hussein.

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I think Americans started to realize how long term it was projected to be about a year ago...and that's why they wanted Bush to continue with it...the pride is the problem for many Americans as they don't want to back down now that they realized they were wrong.  They want to keep going to look like it is working and that a mistake wasn't made.  That's all the vote was...America's pride vs. America's reality.  
The only reason Bush wanted to go to Iraq aside from teh oil was to finish off Hussein's regime because he wanted to finish his father's fight.  Plain and simple.  he wanted to make daddy proud.
War on Terror today = Vietnam of the 70's...it will not be a war that people are proud of and it will not achieve any real "victory."

Edited by firefemme1202, 04 November 2004 - 06:39 AM.

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Posted 04 November 2004 - 06:49 AM

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Hmm,speaking of Hitler,if it hadn't been for the US Army you'd be goose-stepping and yelling "Heil der Fuhrer" right now!


I think you'll find the US didn't save our European 'asses' all on their 'ownsome'. There was in fact a (world) effort to destroy the Axis armies...Not least the huge contribution of the Red army, and smaller sacrifices from countries you've probably never even heard of.

And as for "Heil der Fuhrer"...I see plenty of that coming from posts here on this board. Which tends to give me the impression that 'Nazism' wasn't defeated but simply (replaced).

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Yea,right...... laugh.gif Now anybody who disagrees is a "Nazi",how typical.

BTW,what "defeat" of the US Army are you refering too anyway?We have never surredered to anybody in our 228 year history.


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