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#1    OverSword

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 07:56 PM

Hmmm...I wonder how true this is?

From the article:

A Navy F-18 fighter pilot and former Top Gun instructor is publicly warning admirals that retention is beginning to suffer from the military’s relentless social conditioning programs.
Cmdr. Guy Snodgrass, until recently a Pentagon speech writer for the chief of naval operations, Adm. Jonathan Greenert, said sailors are becoming fed-up with the constant emphasis on social issues — an apparent reference to gays in the military, women in combat and ending sexual harassment.

“Sailors continue to cite the over-focus on social issues by senior leadership, above and beyond discussions on war fighting — a fact that demoralizes junior and mid-grade officers alike,” Cmdr. Snodgrass wrote this month on the U.S. Naval Institute website, an independent forum for active and retired sailors and Marines.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:04 PM

Eh..can't say I disagree.  If anything can make you want to kill yourself, it is a 5 hour suicide awareness class...I don't the the homosexual push and women in combat is a factor though.

Edited by Agent0range, 26 March 2014 - 08:05 PM.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:12 PM

I can understand the annoyance but I dout anyone would quit over it.

I can understand the annoyance just because im in college and every class they somehow tie back into a speech about gay black or women equality.

Not that im against any of these things but i swear that my entire English course was about homosexuality. Gets annoying

And my entire sociology course was about how we are all apparently racist horrible people and women get sooo insanely mistreated in our society. Im not saying we don't have some issues but dam not in the degree that professor thought

Edited by spartan max2, 26 March 2014 - 08:14 PM.

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:17 PM

Ah, the regular story about how Political Correctness is ruining _____ (insert name here of ancient and venerable institution that Political Correctness is ruining.)

If, as it seems, we are in the process of becoming a totalitarian society in which the state apparatus is all-powerful, the ethics most important for the survival of the true, free, human individual would be: cheat, lie, evade, fake it, be elsewhere, forge documents, build improved electronic gadgets in your garage that’ll outwit the gadgets used by the authorities.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:18 PM

Sounds like you need to find a new college.  I don't get any of that from my classes.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:24 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 March 2014 - 08:12 PM, said:

I can understand the annoyance but I dout anyone would quit over it.

I can understand the annoyance just because im in college and every class they somehow tie back into a speech about gay black or women equality.

Not that im against any of these things but i swear that my entire English course was about homosexuality. Gets annoying

And my entire sociology course was about how we are all apparently racist horrible people and women get sooo insanely mistreated in our society. Im not saying we don't have some issues but dam not in the degree that professor thought

I had a child development class where the teacher talked constantly about how blacks are abused by "the white man's system". Aids was developed by the white man to cull the black population and so forth. After three weeks I went to the dean and transferred to another class.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:36 PM

View PostAgent0range, on 26 March 2014 - 08:18 PM, said:

Sounds like you need to find a new college.  I don't get any of that from my classes.

Ohio State University lol :tsu: . I have more stories but Idk could of just been luck of the draw, some of my other teachers have been normal.


View PostMichelle, on 26 March 2014 - 08:24 PM, said:

I had a child development class where the teacher talked constantly about how blacks are abused by "the white man's system". Aids was developed by the white man to cull the black population and so forth. After three weeks I went to the dean and transferred to another class.

lol ffs teachers these days

Edited by spartan max2, 26 March 2014 - 08:38 PM.

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:41 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 March 2014 - 08:36 PM, said:

lol ffs teachers these days

Pffft! These days? That was over twenty years ago.


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:46 PM

View PostMichelle, on 26 March 2014 - 08:41 PM, said:

Pffft! These days? That was over twenty years ago.

hahaha , my bad assumed you where younger :innocent: lol

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 08:48 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 26 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

hahaha , my bad assumed you where younger :innocent: lol

That's never a bad thing... :-* lol


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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:07 PM

Wait till an openly gay pilot grabs a hold of that topgun joystick!  The F-18 Hornette will maneuver like no other.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:18 PM

Yes let's ignore it all because homosexuals and women don't matter. We are just non-entities.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:20 PM

View PostYamato, on 26 March 2014 - 09:07 PM, said:

Wait till an openly gay pilot grabs a hold of that topgun joystick!  The F-18 Hornette will maneuver like no other.

I'm glad I wasn't drinking anything reading that.

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:22 PM

View PostChild of Bast, on 26 March 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Yes let's ignore it all because homosexuals and women don't matter. We are just non-entities.

In all fairness, its the United States Navy. What do you think a Navy should be doing? Focusing on being an effective fighting force, or social injustice?

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Posted 26 March 2014 - 09:39 PM

View PostChild of Bast, on 26 March 2014 - 09:18 PM, said:

Yes let's ignore it all because homosexuals and women don't matter. We are just non-entities.

No, but if you emphasize anything too much people tend to start tuning you out or rebelling. The ones that don't care still won't and the ones that do will even start to back away from the subject.





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