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#16    Merc14

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:00 AM

View Postcoolguy, on 29 March 2014 - 03:33 AM, said:

Very interesting could be a new stealth

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:04 AM

View Posttaniwha, on 29 March 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

The real mystery then might be how does one believe they pick up voice traffic when taking a photo.
Steve Douglass is an aviation enthusiast who also monitors the aviation radio frequencies..  A pretty serious plane-spotter, by all accounts. :D

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:08 AM

Could it be one of these?

http://en.wikipedia....ing_Phantom_Ray
http://en.wikipedia....RQ-170_Sentinel

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 04:22 AM

I'm a bit puzzled by the images..  While they both appear to show a triangular, boomerangish shape, one is quite 'squashed' lengthways.  It would need to be at quite a different angle (eg a very hard turn almost directly away from the photographer, or at a very different angle in the sky) to be so fore-shortened.

Not sure about this - as usual, would like to see original images inc exif, and also a recording of the radio transmissions.  A little digging shows that Mr Douglas has in the past reported such radio transcripts, but never presents the actual audio.  If he doesn't record them, you'd have to wonder how he manages to transcribe them accurately while he is also taking images of a fast moving object...

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 05:53 AM

View PostChrLzs, on 29 March 2014 - 04:22 AM, said:

I'm a bit puzzled by the images..  While they both appear to show a triangular, boomerangish shape, one is quite 'squashed' lengthways.  It would need to be at quite a different angle (eg a very hard turn almost directly away from the photographer, or at a very different angle in the sky) to be so fore-shortened.

According to the photographer, the aircraft was maneuvering at the time:

"But one of the three then did something either unusual or on purpose that made it's planform visible for a brief few seconds. It maneuvered in and out of the lead aircraft's contrail, kind of playfully."
Steve Douglass   source:  http://deepbluehoriz...aphed-over.html


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Not sure about this - as usual, would like to see original images inc exif, and also a recording of the radio transmissions.  A little digging shows that Mr Douglas has in the past reported such radio transcripts, but never presents the actual audio.  If he doesn't record them, you'd have to wonder how he manages to transcribe them accurately while he is also taking images of a fast moving object...

With respect, I think perhaps a bit more research would've been in order here before you began insinuating that Mr. Douglass may be a hoaxer.  This story was first posted online by Bill Sweetman, an editor at Aviation Week who has done extensive research into classified U.S. aircraft programs.  He knows Steve Douglass and is convinced this is real.  His blog post (link) contains one full frame from Mr. Douglass' camera with Exif data intact.

Also, Steve Douglass has posted a full account of his sighting here (link).  My quote above is from this post. The post includes a few other images, links to audio recordings of the two transmissions he feels are related to these aircraft, and details of some other interesting research he has done.  It's a fascinating read.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 06:28 AM

Nice triangular shape planes. Nothing more , not even military ufo's.


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:42 AM

Looks interesting, and perhaps not dissimilar to some commonly reported UFOs. Are the other contrails associated with it, i.e. a chase plane, or are they coincidental?

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 07:49 AM

Nothing new, I saw something very similar over Weymouth UK in 1980

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:44 AM

View PostColonel Rhubarb, on 29 March 2014 - 07:42 AM, said:

Looks interesting, and perhaps not dissimilar to some commonly reported UFOs. Are the other contrails associated with it, i.e. a chase plane, or are they coincidental?
Chase Plane?


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:53 AM

View Postqxcontinuum, on 29 March 2014 - 06:28 AM, said:

Nice triangular shape planes. Nothing more , not even military ufo's.
so what is it? give us the name of the craft?


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:58 AM

Apparently these have been flying for a little while


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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:03 AM

View PostYes_Man, on 29 March 2014 - 08:44 AM, said:

Chase Plane?
Accompanying it on a test flight to take photos, etc.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:22 AM

View PostOppono Astos, on 29 March 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

Nothing new, I saw something very similar over Weymouth UK in 1980
We now have 2014 mate and you can be sure that there is a lot of new stuff in the sky today. And it is probable
that you saw a SR71 in the 80s as some of them were based at the RAF base in Mildenhall those days.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:28 AM

View PostOppono Astos, on 29 March 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

Nothing new, I saw something very similar over Weymouth UK in 1980
In 1980, it may have been something like a Tornado prototype, or even (stretching a point) a Have Blue that was paying a visit to Boscombe Down for testing? :unsure2: Considering that the F-117 hasn't even begun flying then, anything that was around then would be pretty old technology by now, and surely would be known about by now.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 09:54 AM

View PostPericynthion, on 29 March 2014 - 05:53 AM, said:

According to the photographer, the aircraft was maneuvering at the time:

"But one of the three then did something either unusual or on purpose that made it's planform visible for a brief few seconds. It maneuvered in and out of the lead aircraft's contrail, kind of playfully."
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But surely to change the aircraft's silhouette that much, we are talking about maybe a 20-30 degree change in angle (no, obviously I haven't done the modeling to get that dead accurate.. perhaps I should!)  The contrails in both seem reasonably straight, so that suggests that the maneuver must have been close to orthogonal to the viewer - which is an interesting coincidence...  In my experience as a bit of an aircraft watcher myself, it all seems a bit odd.  I'll concede that most of my experience is with commercial flights at those altitudes, and they don't generally do maneuvers like the one he is suggesting, but I still find it odd that the silhouette changed that much, yet the contrails don't contain any obvious signs of the maneuvering - if you look closely you will see that even the slight left-right contrail imbalance, where one engine is possibly tuned slightly differently, is maintained..

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With respect, I think perhaps a bit more research would've been in order here before you began insinuating that Mr. Douglass may be a hoaxer.  This story was first posted online by Bill Sweetman, an editor at Aviation Week who has done extensive research into classified U.S. aircraft programs.  He knows Steve Douglass and is convinced this is real.  His blog post (link) contains one full frame from Mr. Douglass' camera with Exif data intact.
I did not mean to insinuate a hoax - I would have said so!  But it all seems a bit strange, and that link doesn't help much - it's not the original exif - it's been Mac-photoshopped and is missing some data, eg I don't see the ISO? (Unless my exif reader is broken..?)

Even that image is a bit grainy, and I'm puzzled why he needed to go to 1/1500 shutter speed - a lower ISO (maybe, we can't know) might have been more sensible, and a shutter speed of 1/1000 or even 1/500 should have been sufficient for 450mm equiv which would then have allowed him to shoot at f8 or even f11 (shooting wide open on a 70-300 zoom isn't a great idea). Slower shutter speeds should have been OK, esp if he was panning on a decent tripod head..   Plus the image is less than the D70's full resolution..  OK, I'm nit picking, but that's not a great shot, given that level of equipment and likely expertise...  As for the other image, which has had the camera exif stripped out, it is grainy as all hell and smaller again... - the story is that Dean Muskett was supposedly shooting on a similar Canon DSLR with 300mm zoom...  Huh? - how did he get such a horribly grainy/spotty/posterised result?   I think if Nikon get hold of those two images, they would have a great comparison for an ad campaign... :D

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Also, Steve Douglass has posted a full account of his sighting here (link).  My quote above is from this post. The post includes a few other images, links to audio recordings of the two transmissions he feels are related to these aircraft, and details of some other interesting research he has done.  It's a fascinating read.
Thanks for those links, I'll look further.  Bear in mind that I found some *other* links where at least two people (or perhaps it is one person with two pseudonyms on a mission..!) have questioned Mr Douglass' in the past on other sightings, eg here, and here (in the comments).  Perhaps I should not be influenced by comments - but at least one of those sounded pretty knowledgeable...

ADDED - BTW, I see Mr Douglass said:

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Both Dean and I snapped away shooting multiple frames.
I'd like to see a few more of those original frames *as they came off the camera*...

Edited by ChrLzs, 29 March 2014 - 10:03 AM.

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