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#1    ouija ouija

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:46 PM

Yesterday I received an annual 'energy statement' from edf energy (electricity). This is for my pre-paid meter.

It told me that in the last twelve months I had used 200 LESS kWh than the previous twelve months BUT ....... I had paid £100 MORE!!!! God only knows what the bill would have been if we'd had a bad winter.

What adds insult to injury is that on the statement there is a block(?) graph with the heading 'How Much Energy Are You Using?'  which gives the impression that in fact I have used MORE this year than last ....... it's only when you study it closely you realise the exact OPPOSITE is true!! It also appears to show that I will use even more electricity next winter, but on closer inspection it indicates that I will be paying £100 more over the next twelve months if I use the same amount as the last twelve!! I am spitting feathers here with impotent rage.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:52 PM

This is what people don't seem to get. They continually boast about how we have "Freedom of choice" and all the rest of it, and how we're so lucky to live in a Free country because we can vote to get rid of various lots of politicians every few years, but that's all utterly meaningless when we are ruled, as we are, by gigantic multinational corporations that have an absolute stranglehold on their "customers", who really have no choice whatsoever, since they all, as we all know, conspire to collude to tie the market up between them. And the Politicians are either utterly powerless to do anything about it (because you cannot interfere in the workings of the "Free Market"), or they are in the pocket of these mega-corporations.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 08:53 PM

yup i think there was a 3% raise in electricity (2013), when i first moved in to my house back in 2008 my bills were about 40 quid for gas and electric per month in 2013 it was 90 quid gas/elec a month and it will raise and raise and ...........................

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 10:06 PM

Do you know what the stated rationale for the last rise in our electricity was?
Too many people were getting solar panels and it was cutting into profits too much!

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:43 PM

I've been notified by Scottish Power that my bill is going up £36.00 per month from April (and they had the nerve to apologise),due to rising Gas prices, My home has no Gas its totally Electric.

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Posted 29 March 2014 - 11:50 PM

View Postouija ouija, on 29 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

Yesterday I received an annual 'energy statement' from edf energy (electricity). This is for my pre-paid meter.

It told me that in the last twelve months I had used 200 LESS kWh than the previous twelve months BUT ....... I had paid £100 MORE!!!! God only knows what the bill would have been if we'd had a bad winter.

What adds insult to injury is that on the statement there is a block(?) graph with the heading 'How Much Energy Are You Using?'  which gives the impression that in fact I have used MORE this year than last ....... it's only when you study it closely you realise the exact OPPOSITE is true!! It also appears to show that I will use even more electricity next winter, but on closer inspection it indicates that I will be paying £100 more over the next twelve months if I use the same amount as the last twelve!! I am spitting feathers here with impotent rage.
Hiya,E.D.F. is a Frog owned outfit, and I wouldn't pay a penny towards anything Frog,but the big 6 are all tarred with the same brush,and just rip off people.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:14 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 29 March 2014 - 10:06 PM, said:

Do you know what the stated rationale for the last rise in our electricity was?
Too many people were getting solar panels and it was cutting into profits too much!


Amazing. In a normal universe isn't competition supposed to lead to lower prices ? If  "Blanky Beer" came up with a better beer  and it cut into the profits of "Blinky Beer"   would  Blinky Beer raise it's prices?   No.

You can't  Switch Electric Companies ,  like you can beers  ,  so , you pay or .. lights out.


*  i feel your frustration though  ouija ,  does  NOTHING  make sense anymore!?

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 12:32 AM

Solar panels is definitely one way of cutting the energy bills.
Yes, the costs are high, but people are using a lot more electricity today. T.v`s, fridges, freezers, computers and the heating costs, all add up.
There are many ways to save on energy bills, but i feel  that the convenience of flicking switches on  has taken the place of being aware of what you actually use and it all comes at a cost, and boy, the energy companies love it.
If you live in a house with a family and have all the appliances in every room, its going to cost you and as pointed out by CR, for those who are reliant on others.....this is not a free country.
I have been round to friends houses and they have some form of electricity on in every room, and then complain about their bills being to high....???

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 02:17 AM

I remember once upon a time, the role of government was to provide services that were deemed too vital to be allowed into private hands.  Things like law enforcement, basic medical care, essential services like water and electrictiy, the primary communication infrastructure (eg telephone and postal service).

There is a myth LIE out there that privatisation means more efficiency, better service and lower prices.  What utter garbage!  Private companies need to make money, not only for themselves but for their shareholders.  Sadly that is their main priority..  Apart from that, these companies can then take advantage of offshore outsourcing (just shift your industry or support services to countries that have low costs and take advantage of them), and who benefits?
- the users of their services? No, prices invariably go up by far more than inflation, and service quality often goes down.
- the people in other countries who provide cheap labour? Yes, somewhat, but they are being exploited.
- the populace of the country of origin? No, as apart from the higher prices, they suffer unemployment.

- the company directors? Yes.
- the company shareholders? Yes.  (Although maybe they should think about the points above...)

I find it damning that our society doesn't discuss this and think about it - surely there needs to be some scrutiny of the lies about privatisation and the myth of the 'benefits' of globalisation and the supposed 'level playing field'.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:23 AM

View PostChrLzs, on 30 March 2014 - 02:17 AM, said:

I remember once upon a time, the role of government was to provide services that were deemed too vital to be allowed into private hands.  Things like law enforcement, basic medical care, essential services like water and electrictiy, the primary communication infrastructure (eg telephone and postal service).

There is a myth LIE out there that privatisation means more efficiency, better service and lower prices.  What utter garbage!  Private companies need to make money, not only for themselves but for their shareholders.  Sadly that is their main priority..  Apart from that, these companies can then take advantage of offshore outsourcing (just shift your industry or support services to countries that have low costs and take advantage of them), and who benefits?
- the users of their services? No, prices invariably go up by far more than inflation, and service quality often goes down.
- the people in other countries who provide cheap labour? Yes, somewhat, but they are being exploited.
- the populace of the country of origin? No, as apart from the higher prices, they suffer unemployment.

- the company directors? Yes.
- the company shareholders? Yes.  (Although maybe they should think about the points above...)

I find it damning that our society doesn't discuss this and think about it - surely there needs to be some scrutiny of the lies about privatisation and the myth of the 'benefits' of globalisation and the supposed 'level playing field'.
Ah, well, if you do stand up to question it, because capitalism and Globalisation is synonymous with Democracy and freedom in the minds of the West,  they can dismiss you as either a Anti Capitalist Demonstrator, and so dismiss you as one of those "Occupy the Streets" troublemakers, or, even worse, as some sort of Socialist or Commie. The latter, of course, being particularly effective in the US of A. Which means that you';d probably be tagged by the Security Services as a troublemaker.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 07:42 AM

View Postouija ouija, on 29 March 2014 - 08:46 PM, said:

Yesterday I received an annual 'energy statement' from edf energy (electricity). This is for my pre-paid meter.

It told me that in the last twelve months I had used 200 LESS kWh than the previous twelve months BUT ....... I had paid £100 MORE!!!! God only knows what the bill would have been if we'd had a bad winter.

What adds insult to injury is that on the statement there is a block(?) graph with the heading 'How Much Energy Are You Using?'  which gives the impression that in fact I have used MORE this year than last ....... it's only when you study it closely you realise the exact OPPOSITE is true!! It also appears to show that I will use even more electricity next winter, but on closer inspection it indicates that I will be paying £100 more over the next twelve months if I use the same amount as the last twelve!! I am spitting feathers here with impotent rage.
Can you post scan of that graph? And you can talk to neighbors, compare data if there are similarities.
BTW, maybe it has something to do with rising penetration of green energy...

PS Once I've got a bill indicating I'm in debt, i.e. hadn't paid previous bill - one call to office, and it appeared to be a glitch in their system.

Edited by bmk1245, 30 March 2014 - 07:46 AM.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:31 AM

Scottish Power estimated my flat was using £120 of electricity a month after they put a new meter in.  The flat was vacant with the power turned of because of flooding.


They sent me a letter the other day telling me they intend to change the gas meter next Wednesday.  Not only is it all electric but there is no gas available in the village I live in.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 08:46 AM

I think they work on the same basis as the Beeb does about the TV Licence; they assume that everyone would have it, and just pick a random figure out of the air for how much they assume you'd use.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 09:53 AM

I rent so I don't see the bills.

But I have a tale to tell as well.

I remember a couple years ago reading in the local paper that the city was raising water rates.  During the summer months there are strict watering restrictions and new computer meters were installed to monitor each property.    Every second day residents could use sprinkler systems.  What happened was the residents abided by the rules and there were no shortage of water.  The city anticipated fines to fulfill the expected budget projections.   The number fell short.  By a lot....  it was announced after summer ended that water rates would raise almost 50%.

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Posted 30 March 2014 - 10:41 AM

im not going to be popular here but im afraid rising Gas prices will continue. the costs are controlled by the markets. the more we (UK) import the more cost involved. in the UK we only have 2 weeks storage capacity for Gas. if we had more storage capacity we could store the 'cheap' summer gas for use later in the winter to help keep gas costs down.

i wonder if ouija ouija's bill still has the 10% green Tax included. Also you have to move away if possible from the big six. ExtraEnergy is probably the best, save £350 compared to British Gas.

Its a good job we invaded Iraq to secure energy supplies, imagine the cost if we hadn't. the entire population would be up in arms.

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