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Women May Get Right To Fight On Front Line

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 12:35 PM

The British Army is "seriously considering" lifting its ban on women serving in combat roles in line with other countries such as the US, the Chief of the General Staff has said.

General Sir Peter Wall told The Sunday Times he wanted to show women that the army was "open to" women and an equal opportunities employer.

http://news.sky.com/...t-on-front-line

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Posted 06 April 2014 - 01:25 PM

View PostStill Waters, on 06 April 2014 - 12:35 PM, said:

The British Army is "seriously considering" lifting its ban on women serving in combat roles in line with other countries such as the US, the Chief of the General Staff has said.

General Sir Peter Wall told The Sunday Times he wanted to show women that the army was "open to" women and an equal opportunities employer.

http://news.sky.com/...t-on-front-line
Well how very noble of him!
Most of the rest of the world have moved with the times, you would think the military (the protectors) would have done the same already. But it says "seriously considering"....................BUT:

There should be no risks now for men or women on the front lines, not now they have this £1.1m robot...........what a bargain!!!

http://www.unexplain...howtopic=264714

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 07:17 PM

Women have proven their capability in Combat in other Armies around the globe.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 01:45 AM

It's not just the capability of the females, it's also the distraction it causes to the men. You don't want distractions on the front lines.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 05:34 AM

It worked for the Red Army against the Nazis,I haven't got a problem with it.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 05:42 AM

Women have been trained for combat but never allowed to be on the front line. Women haven't been allowed to join a rifle squad faction in the British army either. I wonder if that's also changed? They should stamp out the bullying against female members tool.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 06:49 AM

I see no problem.

soldiers should be placed according to how far they can throw a hand grenade.

the less you can throw it, the closer to the front line.

sound fair?




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Posted 08 April 2014 - 07:29 AM

View Postdr no, on 08 April 2014 - 05:34 AM, said:

It worked for the Red Army against the Nazis,I haven't got a problem with it.

From what I understand of women fighting in the Red army, of which I could be mistaken, is that while they fought in small numbers it was never as front line assault type troops but instead as pilots, snipers, and other support type roles.

As for women being allowed to fight today on the front lines I am not against it as long as they pass the same requirements as the men, but I am highly cautious of such a move.  There are serious implications that need to be thought threw, like will the units be segregated on sex or not, some Israeli studies have shown having mixed sex combat units is less then ideal.  There are other considerations too but I don't have time to list them.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:28 AM

Works for the Canadian Army. We have all trades open to women. Enlisted or with a Queen's Commission.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:54 AM

Till now young boys were dying because older people ( polititians ) cant find a way to settle their 'misunderstandings'. Now it seems young ladies will get the chance to die for 'greater good'.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:27 AM

View PostThanato, on 08 April 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

Works for the Canadian Army. We have all trades open to women. Enlisted or with a Queen's Commission.

Do you know any females in the Infantry? Anyways, it seems submarines are still verboten! Only one last barrier to full equality and emancipation of our sisters-in-arms! What a load of PC crap, only in Canada.


"All military occupations were open to women in 1989, with the exception of submarine service, which opened in 2000. Throughout the 1990s, the introduction of women into the combat arms increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent."

"increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent" Do they believe their own propaganda? Females are flocking to join the military now that the patriarchal, chauvinistic, sexist regulations have been changed?

"All members of the CAF must have a clear understanding of employment equity and diversity and how it can benefit the organization. All personnel receive awareness training and/or information sessions throughout their career and have direct contact through their chain of command to the latest information on the subject of Employment Equity and diversity. The Department is also conducting a needs analysis to determine the best way for staff to deliver diversity training to all CAF members."

More PC crap !

So, I still wanna know how many female riflemen/riflewomen saw action in Afghanistan?

http://www.forces.gc...forces/hie8w7rm


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

View Postredhen, on 08 April 2014 - 01:45 AM, said:

It's not just the capability of the females, it's also the distraction it causes to the men. You don't want distractions on the front lines.
Or easily distracted men who can't perform their task.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:50 PM

View Postredhen, on 08 April 2014 - 11:27 AM, said:

Do you know any females in the Infantry? Anyways, it seems submarines are still verboten! Only one last barrier to full equality and emancipation of our sisters-in-arms! What a load of PC crap, only in Canada.


"All military occupations were open to women in 1989, with the exception of submarine service, which opened in 2000. Throughout the 1990s, the introduction of women into the combat arms increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent."

"increased the potential recruiting pool by about 100 per cent" Do they believe their own propaganda? Females are flocking to join the military now that the patriarchal, chauvinistic, sexist regulations have been changed?

"All members of the CAF must have a clear understanding of employment equity and diversity and how it can benefit the organization. All personnel receive awareness training and/or information sessions throughout their career and have direct contact through their chain of command to the latest information on the subject of Employment Equity and diversity. The Department is also conducting a needs analysis to determine the best way for staff to deliver diversity training to all CAF members."

More PC crap !

So, I still wanna know how many female riflemen/riflewomen saw action in Afghanistan?

http://www.forces.gc...forces/hie8w7rm

A few, one in the Platoon which I was attached to, others in platoons my friends have worked in or been attached to. I also have met a number of female armoured soldiers and artillery soldiers (we lost a FOO and a Trooper in Afghanistan). As well as Female infantry company commanders, and other female infantry officers above the company commander level.

Women can also serve on Submarines in the Royal Canadian Navy.

Women have served 'on the front lines' for decades, and women have been employed Out side the wire for years in Armies which do not let them serve in the Combat Arm. Women have proven their effectiveness in Combat and in leadership in the Military and are far from a distraction. I have met a female platoon commander who was very well respected by her men.

Can everyone do it? No. I know plenty of men who would not survive the Combat Support, hell even Combat Service Support, let alone the Combat Arm. But I do know that if you can not do the job in the school you will not do the job in the field.

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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:03 PM

View PostThanato, on 08 April 2014 - 10:50 PM, said:

A few, one in the Platoon which I was attached to,

No disrespect, but you're in a Signals unit are you not? I specifically asked for examples of female riflemen/women.

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others in platoons my friends have worked in or been attached to. I also have met a number of female armoured soldiers and artillery soldiers (we lost a FOO and a Trooper in Afghanistan).

Again, no disrespect, but Armour and Artillery is not Infantry.

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As well as Female infantry company commanders, and other female infantry officers above the company commander level.

Officers and commanders again do not fit the description. I'm looking for female Infanteers.


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Posted 08 April 2014 - 11:48 PM

View Postredhen, on 08 April 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

No disrespect, but you're in a Signals unit are you not? I specifically asked for examples of female riflemen/women.

Yes, which is Combat Support, we are able to deploy with or directly support the combat arm. When I was deployed to Afghanistan I was attached to an Infantry Platoon which was doing convoy security. We had a female Corporal in the platoon, who was one of our gunners on the RG's.

View Postredhen, on 08 April 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

Again, no disrespect, but Armour and Artillery is not Infantry.

They are apart of the Combat Arm of the Army. They are front line units. For example Armoured units can be deployed in advance of Infantry or in direct support of infantry. Also well beyond the front as armoured recce.

View Postredhen, on 08 April 2014 - 11:03 PM, said:

Officers and commanders again do not fit the description. I'm looking for female Infanteers.

But they are infantry. They are Officers who lead their troops by example and usually from the front in battle. To say an Infantry officer is not an infanteer is to say an infanteer is not a soldier.



A female has to prove her ability to do the job. The majority of people in the jobs of the Infantry can do the job.

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