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Women May Get Right To Fight On Front Line

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#16    redhen

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:14 AM

Thanato, yes I am aware of what the combat support roles are. But the title of this thread is about women "fighting" on the front lines. This is the role of the Infantry; "To close with and destroy the enemy". I don't see any Canadian females in this role. Officers, and especially commanders, are not expected to fight, they have better things to do.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 12:23 AM

View Postredhen, on 09 April 2014 - 12:14 AM, said:

Thanato, yes I am aware of what the combat support roles are. But the title of this thread is about women "fighting" on the front lines. This is the role of the Infantry; "To close with and destroy the enemy". I don't see any Canadian females in this role. Officers, and especially commanders, are not expected to fight, they have better things to do.

We do have few female infantry in the Regular force, far more in the Reserve Force. But as stated I worked with a female infanteer over seas, and there is articles of female infantry in Afghanistan. According to this article http://news.national...hanistan-study/ over 310 Women served in the combat arm including the infantry. During Canada's Combat mission in afghanistan.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 01:05 AM

"In Afghanistan, for example, 83 women served in the infantry,"

Well I'll be. I'm not sure if that's progress or not though. Of course, that's just my opinion.


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Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:15 PM

Is this perceived to be an advance? Have women being pushing for the right to be blown up, shot or hideously mutilated? Just think how much longer the 1914-18 war could have lasted if we could have sent another few million young women to the trenches to die.

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Posted 12 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

The main reason women aren't allowed to fight on the front line alongside men isn't because they're unqualified(guns make women a viable combat force, unlike the old days with swords), it is because men will become distracted and make bad choices trying to protect them, and I'm sure there's a few men who will try to rape them.  It's just a part of most cultures and human natures.  Now if they were to make all female fighting units, I don't see anything wrong with that.


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Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:40 AM

View PostWickian, on 12 April 2014 - 09:56 PM, said:

The main reason women aren't allowed to fight on the front line alongside men isn't because they're unqualified(guns make women a viable combat force, unlike the old days with swords), it is because men will become distracted and make bad choices trying to protect them, and I'm sure there's a few men who will try to rape them.  It's just a part of most cultures and human natures.  Now if they were to make all female fighting units, I don't see anything wrong with that.

This has not been the case in nations which allow women in combat roles and have been in sustained combat operations.

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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:43 AM

View PostBorder Collie, on 12 April 2014 - 05:15 PM, said:

Is this perceived to be an advance? Have women being pushing for the right to be blown up, shot or hideously mutilated? Just think how much longer the 1914-18 war could have lasted if we could have sent another few million young women to the trenches to die.

Ah civilisation. Still just a theory!
Women wanted to be on the front line though, so being pushing is the wrong term there


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Posted 14 April 2014 - 09:44 PM

View PostThanato, on 13 April 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

This has not been the case in nations which allow women in combat roles and have been in sustained combat operations.
Have these countries had women in any large numbers on the front lines, or just small token numbers like the 83 listed above?  I've never looked it up so I don't know, but I would be surprised if it worked without years of troops being conditioned to leave a woman they may have a crush on to die if the situation calls for it.


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Posted 15 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

View PostWickian, on 14 April 2014 - 09:44 PM, said:


Have these countries had women in any large numbers on the front lines, or just small token numbers like the 83 listed above?  I've never looked it up so I don't know, but I would be surprised if it worked without years of troops being conditioned to leave a woman they may have a crush on to die if the situation calls for it.

Conditioning? We are trained to never leave anyone behind. They arnt token numbers, they are the ones who made it through training.

If a woman can do the job, let them!

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:31 PM

I had my suspicions, and now it's confirmed. This is the reason females should not be allowed in the military.

For such a tiny force that Canada has; "In a report after a months-long investigation, L’actualité claims that five people in the Canadian military community are sexually assaulted every day."


"According to statistics obtained through access to information law, the scathing L’actualité report says military police have received between 134 and 201 complaints of sexual assaults every year since 2000. That averages out to 178 complaints per year. The article says experts agree that hundreds of other cases are ignored. Given that fewer than one in 10 sexual assaults are disclosed to authorities, as estimated by Statistics Canada, that adds up to 1,780 incidents a year in the military, the article concludes, or five per day."


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:39 PM

View Postredhen, on 25 April 2014 - 01:31 PM, said:

I had my suspicions, and now it's confirmed. This is the reason females should not be allowed in the military.

For such a tiny force that Canada has; "In a report after a months-long investigation, L’actualité claims that five people in the Canadian military community are sexually assaulted every day."


"According to statistics obtained through access to information law, the scathing L’actualité report says military police have received between 134 and 201 complaints of sexual assaults every year since 2000. That averages out to 178 complaints per year. The article says experts agree that hundreds of other cases are ignored. Given that fewer than one in 10 sexual assaults are disclosed to authorities, as estimated by Statistics Canada, that adds up to 1,780 incidents a year in the military, the article concludes, or five per day."

Yeaaaa I am kinda curious how there is an epidemic like that yet no one I know (including a lot of women) have hear of it?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 02:22 PM

Is the concept of "necessity" any part of this equation? In guerilla armies/forces of national liberation, women have often been allowed to participate in frontline combat on a 'regular' basis (for irregular armies). At least part of the reason for that is necessity of humanpower in order to fight adequately.

In the US much is being said about the all-volunteer army not being adequate for future warmaking; or at least for being unequal in regards to allowed roles for women. Could it be that the insistence on wider participation by women is part of the bigger issue of needing more warm bodies?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 03:16 PM

View PostThanato, on 25 April 2014 - 01:39 PM, said:

Yeaaaa I am kinda curious how there is an epidemic like that yet no one I know (including a lot of women) have hear of it?

There's a difference between anecdotal evidence and statistics.

Edited by redhen, 25 April 2014 - 03:18 PM.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 03:17 PM

View PostDeWitz, on 25 April 2014 - 02:22 PM, said:

Is the concept of "necessity" any part of this equation?

I don't believe it is. If they were that desperate for warm bodies they would reinstate the draft. This is pure political correctness.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 07:50 AM

View PostThanato, on 08 April 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

Works for the Canadian Army. We have all trades open to women. Enlisted or with a Queen's Commission.

Do they fight in the front lines? Keep PC out of the military.

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