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#1    acidhead

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:26 PM

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NEVADA | In the state of Nevada, Cliven Bundy and his family are currently caught in a fight over land with the Federal government. This is over his long standing refusal to acknowledge a 1993 modification to grazing rights on the land.

Bundy claims the land has been in his family since the 1800s. On Saturday, hundreds of federal officials, helicopters, low flying aircraft and hired cowboys, began rounding up Bundy's cattle in northeastern Clark County.

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:42 PM

If I had the money to travel I'D BE THERE !!!!!  This is outrageous and if it isn't challenged it will spread like any other cancer.  The only thing that can stop these kinds of outrages is for mass demonstrations of peaceful citizens literally forming a shield.  That will bring the media (some at least) and the cell phone cams will keep the guns from being used.  There has to be a tipping point and I hope that this is IT!   :angry:

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:46 PM

Seems pretty clear that his cattle are trespassing on public land, they've given him 20 years to stop it, so I don't feel particular sympathy for him

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Posted 09 April 2014 - 11:55 PM

View PostScheming B, on 09 April 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

Seems pretty clear that his cattle are trespassing on public land, they've given him 20 years to stop it, so I don't feel particular sympathy for him
He's doing something that has been going on for generations without any problem.  If the Feds decide tomorrow that they want you to stop something that you have been doing to make a LIVING will you be so sanguine about it then?

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:35 AM

View PostScheming B, on 09 April 2014 - 11:46 PM, said:

Seems pretty clear that his cattle are trespassing on public land, they've given him 20 years to stop it, so I don't feel particular sympathy for him

I lived in Nevada, for around 41 years. His cattle are grazing on public land.

They destroy it for the Deer, Antelope, etc. I have seen a little of this, but most kept their cattle where they needed to be.

If you want to be p***ed at the Feds, check into the Wild Horse round ups in Nevada. Not some guy doing something illegal.

The Horses could use the help, and the attention.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 12:47 AM

View PostSakari, on 10 April 2014 - 12:35 AM, said:

The Horses could use the help, and the attention.

I think it's safe to say you and I don't see eye to eye on most things. After reading on it, I don't see the problem with it.

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He's doing something that has been going on for generations without any problem.  If the Feds decide tomorrow that they want you to stop something that you have been doing to make a LIVING will you be so sanguine about it then?

What I'm doing to make a living doesn't involve my property wandering onto public property and consuming things.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:03 AM

View PostScheming B, on 10 April 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:

I think it's safe to say you and I don't see eye to eye on most things. After reading on it, I don't see the problem with it.

I demand you agree with me !....Joke.

Without changing topic, it is where the Horses end up. ( dog food, Europe for human consumption, etc. ).......Not the round ups themselves.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:25 AM

View Postand then, on 09 April 2014 - 11:55 PM, said:

He's doing something that has been going on for generations without any problem.  If the Feds decide tomorrow that they want you to stop something that you have been doing to make a LIVING will you be so sanguine about it then?
I don't know about America, but here in Oz it's perfectly legal for the government to decide to "force purchase" your home and land all they have to do is pay the minimum of what the land and house are valued at.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:32 AM

View PostSakari, on 10 April 2014 - 01:03 AM, said:

Without changing topic, it is where the Horses end up. ( dog food, Europe for human consumption, etc. ).......Not the round ups themselves.

Seems like it'd be cheaper to start domesticating some of these wild horses to be used for meat production.  Wonder why they bother with wild ones specifically

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:38 AM

It seems like live practice for social disorder containment scenarios given the amount of tech used and the aggressive manner carried out.
Aren't these sort of cases usually mediated by court actions over there?

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:41 AM

It was a federally mandated thing, so I imagine they decided to make an example out of this guy while also serving to get him off the public land.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 03:40 AM

View PostScheming B, on 10 April 2014 - 12:47 AM, said:

I think it's safe to say you and I don't see eye to eye on most things. After reading on it, I don't see the problem with it.



What I'm doing to make a living doesn't involve my property wandering onto public property and consuming things.
If his animals were causing a problem why is it just now, after decades, that the Feds have decided to put a stop to it?  I agree that if his animals are actually harming the land then he should obey but this is hardly the sole example of thug like tactics currently being employed by everyone from the AG down to the lowliest BLM official.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 06:34 AM

I'm not sure what this has to do with Bundy's land when he himself said "I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life.   Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights."    He then goes on to question who is the trespasser on that land.   This doesn't square with the RT claim that it's "been his family's land since the 1800s".

This may be a property rights issue on multiple levels, but it appears to be a matter of what our rights are on public land, not on our own.  The best I could get from Santili on the video is, the land is owned by Nevada, managed by the federal govt, and used by Bundy to raise his own cattle.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:45 AM

Things are really heating up at the ranch. Setting a dog on a 57 year old woman and tazing one man three times...

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 09:21 AM

View Postand then, on 10 April 2014 - 03:40 AM, said:

If his animals were causing a problem why is it just now, after decades, that the Feds have decided to put a stop to it?  I agree that if his animals are actually harming the land then he should obey but this is hardly the sole example of thug like tactics currently being employed by everyone from the AG down to the lowliest BLM official.
probably that he wasn't in control of the cattle





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