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#1    OverSword

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 10:52 PM

It seems like our government does nothing that doesn't rub me the wrong way these days.

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In a move lawmakers and farmers are calling “the biggest land grab in the history of the world,” the Environmental Protection Agency is requesting jurisdiction over all public and private streams in the United States that are “intermittent, seasonal and rain-dependent.”


The EPA and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers in late March jointly released a proposed rule, Waters of the United States, in an effort to clarify which streams and wetlands are protected under the Clean Water Act.
A statement issued by the EPA says “the proposed rule will benefit businesses by increasing efficiency in determining coverage of the Clean Water Act.”
But some lawmakers strongly disagree.
According to congressional budget testimony last week, Waters of the United States would give the EPA authority over streams on private property even when the water beds have been dry, in some cases for hundreds of years.
Calling it “the biggest land grab in the history of the world,” House Appropriations Committee Chairman Rep. Harold Rogers, R-Ky., said the “economic impact of that would be profound.”
“A community needing to build on private land that had on it one of these so-called streams that you considered a waterway under the new rule would have to travel thousands, hundreds of miles to D.C., to get approval,” Rogers said.
The congressman argued it “would absolutely freeze economic activity in this country.”
Rogers said the proposal is “proof in and of itself of the mal-intent of this administration toward the private sector.”

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:02 PM

seriously now you're using world nut daily as a source?

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:25 PM

View Postninjadude, on 16 April 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:

seriously now you're using world nut daily as a source?
are any of these acceptable?
http://www.foxnews.c...reams-wetlands/

http://www.breitbart...-Huge-Land-Grab

http://beforeitsnews...so-2451712.html

http://washingtonexa...article/2537428

http://www.bloomberg...-land-grab.html

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Posted 16 April 2014 - 11:30 PM

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seriously now you're using world nut daily as a source?
If you don't like the message attack the messenger.  Fail.  Pull yer head njd


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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:19 AM

Until MSNBC covers the story, it's not news as far as Ninjadud is concerned.

I'll have to research this myself but I am not doubting it out of the gates.  Sounds exactly like something I would expect from an overreaching fed gov.

I'll reserve comments for now...

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:24 AM

Not exactly new or recent actually ~ I read somewhere last year ( memory fail ) ~ that Agro land in the US highly diminished and what is currently in use is practically  'dead' from chem poisons / fertilizers and useable water sources are too polluted for raw usage ~

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 12:49 AM

the way I read it the government in this case is kind of damned if they do and damned if they don't. for along time the term waterway was rather constrictive not really allowing the fed to do much. so they made it more inclusive.
which kind of opened a huge can of worms. crap, I have an intermittent stream on my property that may now be deemed a waterway I only own 5 acres am I going to have to plunge through the red tape to clear my tree line which runs along the creek? I kind of see both sides of the argument. I know the water situation in America is poor and probably not getting better I just don't feel this is the best way of going about it. this kind of legislation usually ends up hurting farmers more than anyone and that is one part of our society we need to be helping not hurting.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:05 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 17 April 2014 - 12:19 AM, said:

Until The Republicans do it, it's not a bad thing as far as Ninjadud is concerned.
Fixed that for you.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:07 PM

Incidentally, the "largest land grab in the history of the world" is what the British Empire did in 1770 "Terra Nullus" and all that.

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Posted 17 April 2014 - 11:28 PM

google: Agenda 21

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:01 AM

Juristication is not a land grab. Juristician means that they can take actions to protect them from pollution or mismanagement.
Its just an article using any excuse to bash the EPA, again.

It belongs in the same section as the Agenda 21 is a Eugenics program.

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Edited by Br Cornelius, 18 April 2014 - 07:03 AM.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 07:25 AM

Jurisdiction deprives individuals of property rights.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:13 AM

View Postacidhead, on 18 April 2014 - 07:25 AM, said:

Jurisdiction deprives individuals of property rights.
By your logic you should be able to store nuclear waste on your own land without controls.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 08:35 AM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 18 April 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:


By your logic you should be able to store nuclear waste on your own land without controls.

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Of course not.  No controls on liability?  Currently the GOV controls a limited liability on nuclear power plants by subsidizing private industry on the backs of taxpayers.  If these plants were 100% private they would bear the full responsibility of actual or potential liability.

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Posted 18 April 2014 - 01:52 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 18 April 2014 - 08:13 AM, said:

By your logic you should be able to store nuclear waste on your own land without controls.

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Nice straw man argument.   Get a grip on yourself and debate the topic at hand, not your ridiculous straw men.  Ninja attacks the source and corny raises straw men and now you see how the left likes to argue when they haven't a leg to stand on.

Edited by Merc14, 18 April 2014 - 01:54 PM.

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