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What does Religion Have to Say About UFO's?


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#1    zoser

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 07:41 AM

Recently I was exploring the subject of UFO's with a friend and it was clear that she was deeply skeptical about the subject.  Later I discovered that she was a keen practising Christian and so I naturally wondered if there could be a connection.  I have not seen her since to ask her directly.

Here are some questions:

1) Are there any clear references to ET life in the bible that would tend to steer believing Christians away from the subject?  Are some sects more inclined to believe than others?

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2) Is this true for other great religious texts?  

3) Is the fairly recent declaration by the church significant?

http://dancingfromge...y-compatibilit/

4) is there compelling evidence for a connection between religion and UFO's?  Many people look at clues in religious artwork and claim that this is true.  What about Ezekiel's wheel for example?


My experiences over the years tells me at an instinctive level that having a strong religious belief may indeed preclude a person from believing in the existence of ET life and UFO's.  Or is it simply that they regard the subject as not important?  Indifference rather than denial.

I would be interested to see what others think.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 07:51 AM

View Postzoser, on 25 April 2014 - 07:41 AM, said:

My experiences over the years tells me at an instinctive level that having a strong religious belief may indeed preclude a person from believing in the existence of ET life and UFO's.
Unless they're the Vatican Astronomer.
Or the Pope (both the last one and the new one).
Or me for that matter.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:23 AM

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having a strong religious belief may indeed preclude a person from believing in the existence of ET life and UFO's
I really don't see why it should. As observed, the Vatican itself seems to think that it may be quite possible that there might be life Out There. And if God is the Creator of the Universe, not just a local god for one particular planet, surely those who believe that is so would be willing to acknowledge that He may have created other forms of life Out There as well?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:35 AM

The existence of aliens would present a MASSIVE theological problem for Christians (and possibly many other faiths as well).

Where the aliens in the Garden of Eden ? If not, then they could not be guilty of Original Sin; a cardinal aspect of Catholic doctrine.
Did Jesus manifest himself to the aliens ? If not, then this means that the aliens ... ALL OF THEM ... are unable to go to heaven.
Did the Aliens receive the Gospels ?
The gospels where written by Jesus' followers, sometimes LONG after his death. If Jesus DID manifest to the aliens, then there would presumably have been alien followers who would have written THEIR version of the Gospels. (and by extension, the entire Bible). Would this be different to OUR Gospels ? If so, which one is correct ?

And if both sets turned out to be identical.. then... WOW...that is devestating proof of the accuracy of the Gospels.

This would be seismic stuff !

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:57 AM

It might be argued by some who believe in those things, perhaps, that such things only applied to Humanity, and that God as, in this case, serving in the capacity of a local God for local people, so therefore Jesus' mission to save humanity from Sin was only relevant for Humanity.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:04 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 25 April 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

It might be argued by some who believe in those things, perhaps, that such things only applied to Humanity, and that God as, in this case, serving in the capacity of a local God for local people, so therefore Jesus' mission to save humanity from Sin was only relevant for Humanity.

Yes I see this.  Historically religionists have had a kind of 'isolationist' view, that God concentrates on them and nothing else, and we humans are his unique experiment.  

Do we see an updating in recent times of this view; particularly when science has given us images that tell perhaps a different story?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:26 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 25 April 2014 - 08:57 AM, said:

It might be argued by some who believe in those things, perhaps, that such things only applied to Humanity, and that God as, in this case, serving in the capacity of a local God for local people, so therefore Jesus' mission to save humanity from Sin was only relevant for Humanity.
Yeah, maybe everyone else did what God told them to do and not what a talking bloody lizard said was a good idea.


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:38 AM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 25 April 2014 - 09:26 AM, said:

Yeah, maybe everyone else did what God told them to do and not what a talking bloody lizard said was a good idea.
You mean the Serpent? interesting question there, although it may be going off on a slight tangent: God must have created the Serpent as well, mustn't he? So did was the serpent the first one to rebel , so in fact he was the one God should have taken it out on rather than poor old Adam & Eve, who were just gullible at most, or was he, like Satan was to poor old Job a while later, told to be an agent provocateur by God to test their obedience to his instructions?

Edited by Admiral Rhubarb, 25 April 2014 - 09:42 AM.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 09:49 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 25 April 2014 - 08:23 AM, said:

As observed, the Vatican itself seems to think that it may be quite possible that there might be life Out There.
As per my knowledge this statement by the Vatikan is not that old, I think just some years. If so, I would say
that the Vatikan´s statement is more based on a policy/strategy to be prepared for answers (sic!) in case of
ET detection (thats more likely nowadays than in the past based on technology/computer power development/
raise in search activities and the V. knows that all) than it is based on a general belief in the existence of
extraterrestrial life.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:09 AM

According to the 'Tanach' of Judaism and therefore the 'Bible' of the Christians - the first thing in creation - "God created the Heavens...". Presumably that would include everything in it aswell. Any denial of this statement by religious followers would imply that any other lifeforms were either created by some other entity or do not exist (which is unlikely).


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:57 AM

ET life wouldn't really go against anything in any of the major religious texts. But having been around religious circles myself I can tell you that many religious leaders strongly oppose belief in ETs because they see it as a gateway to other "cult" beliefs that may contradict their religion.





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Posted 25 April 2014 - 10:59 AM

I tend to cringe when I read UFOs and religion in the same topic.

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:09 AM

View PostMister, on 25 April 2014 - 10:57 AM, said:

ET life wouldn't really go against anything in any of the major religious texts. But having been around religious circles myself I can tell you that many religious leaders strongly oppose belief in ETs because they see it as a gateway to other "cult" beliefs that may contradict their religion.

Nice way to express it; in other words interest is discouraged on the basis that it is a perceived competing belief.

View PostLilly, on 25 April 2014 - 10:59 AM, said:

I tend to cringe when I read UFOs and religion in the same topic.

Can you say why?

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:14 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 25 April 2014 - 09:38 AM, said:

You mean the Serpent? interesting question there, although it may be going off on a slight tangent: God must have created the Serpent as well, mustn't he? So did was the serpent the first one to rebel , so in fact he was the one God should have taken it out on rather than poor old Adam & Eve, who were just gullible at most, or was he, like Satan was to poor old Job a while later, told to be an agent provocateur by God to test their obedience to his instructions?
Actually, if the Serpent was Satan, at the time he was working for God as "the one way says the things you don't want to hear", looking at Job, that was Satan's job to say and presumably do, things that tested the boundaries. Tempting Eve was part of the job, her ACCEPTING the temptation was her weakness. If she'd have said "p*** off snake" Satan would have gone to God and said "heap, they're temptation proof".


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 11:29 AM

View Postzoser, on 25 April 2014 - 11:09 AM, said:



Nice way to express it; in other words interest is discouraged on the basis that it is a perceived competing belief.

Pretty much.





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