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#1    seeder

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:41 PM

Britain is a 'post-Christian' country says former Archbishop

Speaking to the Sunday Telegraph, Rowan Williams said Britain was not a nation of believers and that the era of widespread worship was over.

It comes after Prime Minister David Cameron said people in Britain should be confident of its status as "a Christian country".

Deputy PM Nick Clegg said the Church and state should be separated.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...litics-27177265

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:26 PM

Judging from the rise in activity of Muslims I'd say Britain is becoming an Islamic country.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:55 PM

View Postand then, on 27 April 2014 - 02:26 PM, said:

Judging from the rise in activity of Muslims I'd say Britain is becoming an Islamic country.

4.8 % of the UK is Muslim.25% claim they have no religion.I think its more likely to become an atheist country before a Islamic one
http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:31 PM

View Postdr no, on 27 April 2014 - 02:55 PM, said:

4.8 % of the UK is Muslim.25% claim they have no religion.I think its more likely to become an atheist country before a Islamic one
http://en.wikipedia...._United_Kingdom

Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism.  It means that people either have issues with the faith of their childhood, or they are looking for something else.  "Spiritual bu not religious" a stance often taken by people is no where near being an atheist.

In China, Christianity is growing, atheism is dropping. Athism seems to be dying in officially atheistic couriers....times change, culture transform, then they do so again.

http://www.billionbi...s-in-china.html


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:39 PM

View Postmarkdohle, on 27 April 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism.

You are absolutely right. I do not conform to conventional religions but am hardly an atheist. Cosmic/Pantheistic Humanist, maybe? :)

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 08:48 PM

Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic.

http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html

http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997

http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0

In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken?

http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed

http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368

The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair.

Edited by Marcus Aurelius, 27 April 2014 - 08:53 PM.

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:11 PM

I am reading a book by Samuel Gipp "Understandable History of the Bible". He says of the British Empire, "the sun began to set on the British Empire in 1904 when the British Foreign Bible Society changed from the pure Textus Receptus to the Egyptian text collated by Eberhard Nestle."

There's a lot of resource references supporting a lot of interesting history of the Bible.


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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:39 PM

View PostMarcus Aurelius, on 27 April 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic.

http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html

http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997

http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0

In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken?

http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed

http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368

The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair.

Secularism will be replaced by....

...Humanism. (drumroll)

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Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:41 PM

View Postambelamba, on 27 April 2014 - 10:39 PM, said:

Secularism will be replaced by....

...Humanism. (drumroll)
Drunkeness in England? Say it ain't so!
I'm rather happy that England has become more secular, it wasn't that long ago at all they were castrating and imprisoning homosexuals, a group of which I have both friends and to a degree, role models.

Edited by HappyMonkey, 27 April 2014 - 10:43 PM.


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 02:53 AM

View PostMarcus Aurelius, on 27 April 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic.

http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html

http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997

http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0

In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken?

http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed

http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368

The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair.

What does any of that have to do with religious belief?
The above serves as nothing like evidence for what you're trying to claim - you cannot show that any rise in secularism can be linked to anybody's crappy behaviour.

If you look at crime stats for the UK we can see a significant decrease in, for example, violent crime:

http://www.theguardi...l-violent-crime
https://docs.google....p=sharing#gid=0

Shall we say that the rise of secularism is responsible for this?


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Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:19 AM

I think you're equating secularism with statism, Marcus. Not everyone has a deep yearning to worship which, in the absence of God, will lead them worship anything. Especially not something as twisted and corrupt as a Government. I stand in awe of music, and literature and the natural world, but I feel no need to supplicate myself before them.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:19 PM

View PostMarcus Aurelius, on 27 April 2014 - 08:48 PM, said:

Perhaps this partly explains why so many young people in Britain seem morally lost, aimless and drunkenness has become an epidemic.

http://www.dailymail...es-Britain.html

http://www.mirror.co...-mayhem-2976997

http://www.nytimes.c...itain.html?_r=0

In my most recent blog post on here, I talk about how secularism ultimately provides us with no real or lasting hope. If the state is our god, what happens when the state is broken?

http://www.theguardi...poor-unemployed

http://www.nydailyne...rticle-1.945368

The above serves as evidence for the point I was arguing in my blog. I wonder how the rise of secularism can be seen as a good thing when this is ultimately the result? People need hope and instead they are being left with aimlessness and despair.

Why do we need a bearded old man in the sky to teach us morality?  Last time I checked, there are far more believers in prison than non-believers.

Perhaps the real issue is that people shouldn't be getting morality instruction from a book written thousands of years ago in the same way we don't consult 1700s medical texts for tips on how to fight cancer.

Edited by Rafterman, 29 April 2014 - 04:21 PM.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:40 PM

Personally, I'd rather live in a secular society. I don't see much good coming from religious beliefs translated into political agendas.

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 04:59 PM

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Posted 29 April 2014 - 05:03 PM

View Postmarkdohle, on 27 April 2014 - 03:31 PM, said:

Being of no religion, or a 'none' does not equate atheism.  It means that people either have issues with the faith of their childhood, or they are looking for something else.  "Spiritual bu not religious" a stance often taken by people is no where near being an atheist.

In China, Christianity is growing, atheism is dropping. Athism seems to be dying in officially atheistic couriers....times change, culture transform, then they do so again.

http://www.billionbi...s-in-china.html

Christianity is most definitely not growing in Britain in fact to a lot of us it's meaningless.If Labour win the next election we will have an atheist Prime Minister something that wouldn't cause a stir like it would in America
In fact this European poll shows 25% of us "don't believe in any sort of spirit,God or life force

http://en.wikipedia....igion_in_Europe

Edited by dr no, 29 April 2014 - 05:13 PM.





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