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What If Jesus Hadn't Been Crucified?


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#1    StarMountainKid

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:25 PM

If Jesus hadn't been crucified and had lived to a ripe old age and died of natural causes, how would Christianity be different than it is today?

Jesus could have continued offering his message and performing miracles. After death he could have returned as he did in the Bible. Wasn't Jesus' redemptive death a later addition to or interpretation of the passion?

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:32 PM

The crucifixion is probably credible as Jesus upset the religious mafia of the day, but popping up alive on the third day after his death, just isn't. If Jesus had lived to maturity, he might have toned down some of the statements he uttered as a hot headed younger man!

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:33 PM

Given that the only evidence we have for a Jesus who was crucified is an unverifiable story, with no supporting evidence from any independent, contemporary source, then it's likely that Christianity would be no different today if the person in question existed, and was crucified, or did not and so was not.

This is not to argue against the belief in question, but to highlight that it is based not on evidence - but on a story. So long as the story was still written, then Christianity would be the same.

Edited by Leonardo, 30 April 2014 - 04:35 PM.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:37 PM

He would have had to face all the other prophets around. I believe he was chosen as an example, if he had not died we may never have heard of him and some other prophet who may have got crucified after him would have been chosen.
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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:42 PM

View PostJJ50, on 30 April 2014 - 04:32 PM, said:

The crucifixion is probably credible as Jesus upset the religious mafia of the day, but popping up alive on the third day after his death, just isn't. If Jesus had lived to maturity, he might have toned down some of the statements he uttered as a hot headed younger man!
Toned down?  Toned down love your neighbor as you love yourself?  Toned down do to others as you would have them do to you?

View Postfreetoroam, on 30 April 2014 - 04:37 PM, said:

He would have had to face all the other prophets around. I believe he was chosen as an example, if he had not died we may never have heard of him and some other prophet who may have got crucified after him would have been chosen.
Funny how death makes some people into legends.
Freetoroam watched Life of Brian recently.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:44 PM

View PostOverSword, on 30 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:



Freetoroam watched Life of Brian recently.
Its my bible in video form.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:45 PM

If so, the script to Monty Python`s Life of Brian would be different and a number of brilliant dialoges would not be part
of the movie. (" To the crucifixion? Ok, please go to the left, and only one single cross per person please!")


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 04:52 PM

View PostOverSword, on 30 April 2014 - 04:42 PM, said:

Toned down?  Toned down love your neighbor as you love yourself?  Toned down do to others as you would have them do to you?

Freetoroam watched Life of Brian recently.

I mean expecting people to leave their responsibilities and follow him, and giving the impression he was some sort of deity which he clearly wasn't, imo

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:07 PM

View PostJJ50, on 30 April 2014 - 04:52 PM, said:

I mean expecting people to leave their responsibilities and follow him, and giving the impression he was some sort of deity which he clearly wasn't, imo
If that's how you interpret it.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:10 PM

View Posttoast, on 30 April 2014 - 04:45 PM, said:

If so, the script to Monty Python`s Life of Brian would be different and a number of brilliant dialoges would not be part
of the movie. (" To the crucifixion? Ok, please go to the left, and only one single cross per person please!")

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:10 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 30 April 2014 - 04:44 PM, said:

Its my bible in video form.

Its far more entertaining and relevant to me than any bible


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:12 PM

View Postdr no, on 30 April 2014 - 05:10 PM, said:

Its far more entertaining and relevant to me than any bible
that`s because we always look on the bright side of life. :yes:


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:19 PM

For those of us who sincerely believe in his sacrificial death and the freedom it offers us, this question illustrates a misunderstanding of why he was crucified.  He was a man but he was also divine.  he had power over death itself and easily could have avoided the cross if that had been his intention.  His entire life on earth was in preparation for this act of sacrifice.  He taught and performed miracles and proved his innocence and love for his neighbors - all things he expects from his followers btw - (even some miracles in the time of the apostles) and he did those things to establish that he was who he claimed to be.  Dying as a sacrifice is what gave power to  forgive sin.  He was the atonement that was necessary.  WHY was it necessary?  I won't even try to explain something I admit I don't truly understand myself.  But I accept that it was and that it has been done - a free gift to those who believe.

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:27 PM

View Postand then, on 30 April 2014 - 05:19 PM, said:

For those of us who sincerely believe in his sacrificial death and the freedom it offers us, this question illustrates a misunderstanding of why he was crucified.  He was a man but he was also divine.  he had power over death itself and easily could have avoided the cross if that had been his intention.  His entire life on earth was in preparation for this act of sacrifice.  He taught and performed miracles and proved his innocence and love for his neighbors - all things he expects from his followers btw - (even some miracles in the time of the apostles) and he did those things to establish that he was who he claimed to be.  Dying as a sacrifice is what gave power to  forgive sin.  He was the atonement that was necessary.  WHY was it necessary?  I won't even try to explain something I admit I don't truly understand myself.  But I accept that it was and that it has been done - a free gift to those who believe.
Not sure if he could have avoided the cross, it seems that he was - tried and sentenced by Pontius Pilate and he did not have much back up from his fellow Jews who he had upset a touch.
But if his followers would like to believe he sacrificed himself, then that`s their right to do so.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 05:40 PM

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Not sure if he could have avoided the cross, it seems that he was - tried and sentenced by Pontius Pilate and he did not have much back up from his fellow Jews who he had upset a touch.
But if his followers would like to believe he sacrificed himself, then that`s their right to do so.
As I said - his believers accept the fact that he was God in the flesh.  If one accepts that Christ was the Creator God then nothing is impossible for him.  I realize that it sounds like foolishness to those who don't believe - but for those of faith the cross is a symbol of POWER to those who need salvation.

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