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Diesel engines responsible for 7,000 deaths

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:18 PM

Fumes from diesel engines are thought to be responsible for around 7,000 deaths a year as experts claim air pollution has a similar impact on the heart as smoking.

http://www.telegraph...ths-a-year.html

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Posted 30 April 2014 - 07:27 PM

I drive a diesel. I can't claim anywhere near 7,000 though.


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Posted 30 April 2014 - 08:00 PM

I work with diesels nearly every day....my breathing isn't as good as it used to be....as weird as it sounds I can't shout anymore (not that I ever did anyway)...but if I raise my voice to loud I start coughing.


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 05:25 AM

Excellent news. I HATE diesel engines with a passion. The fuel should be banned.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 06:28 AM

The position isn't getting to the lease car realm; just switched to a company lease car - diesel is the only option as it seen as more efficient/greener

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:23 AM

I would just ask those who *own* or manage them - get them serviced and tuned properly!!!  If you happen to notice any trace of black stuff around your exhaust (you *do* occasionally wash or even walk around your vehicle, don't you?) then I'd suggest checking your rear view mirror as you accelerate and see if you are enveloping me in your filthy soot.. - I'm the one in the green car (I don't mean a Prius, it just happens to be metallic green..)..


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 08:10 AM

Why do drivers of diesel trucks leave their engines running while they deliver goods,  pass any loading/discharge bay and you will see clouds of diesel smoke drifting around everyday.Drivers at bus depots do the same,they start up their engines then leave them running while they disappear into the canteen at 6 a.m.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 08:19 AM

The green taxes are based on CO2 output.  Diesels have lower CO2 than petrols hence why they have increased many fold over the years.  In the UK they account for more than 50% of new vehicle sales, from about 30% a decade earlier.

The financial incentive is still based on C02 so that figure will probably grow higher.  Yet more proof that green taxes are poorly thought out and in cases like this more damaging than good.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 08:39 AM

Your chances of been killed by a petrol car are considerably higher.
In America this figure for deaths by particulate emissions represents a 0.00012% chance of fatality in your lifetime. The chances of been killed in a car crash are 0.6% in a lifetime.
Regular vehicle checks and catalytic converters will mean that most diesels produce minimal particulate emissions. If there are cars and trucks going round belching black smoke then it represents a failure of regulation to prevent it.

Just to show it can be done - I have a fifteen year old diesel and the emissions are consistently one tenth of the legal limit.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 02:07 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 01 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:

Your chances of been killed by a petrol car are considerably higher.
In America this figure for deaths by particulate emissions represents a 0.00012% chance of fatality in your lifetime. The chances of been killed in a car crash are 0.6% in a lifetime.
Regular vehicle checks and catalytic converters will mean that most diesels produce minimal particulate emissions. If there are cars and trucks going round belching black smoke then it represents a failure of regulation to prevent it.

Just to show it can be done - I have a fifteen year old diesel and the emissions are consistently one tenth of the legal limit.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:21 PM

View Postspud the mackem, on 01 May 2014 - 08:10 AM, said:

Why do drivers of diesel trucks leave their engines running while they deliver goods,  pass any loading/discharge bay and you will see clouds of diesel smoke drifting around everyday.Drivers at bus depots do the same,they start up their engines then leave them running while they disappear into the canteen at 6 a.m.

It takes more fuel to start a diesel than to leave it running a few minutes to run in and make a delivery...plus some of the refrigerated boxes require the engine running to power the coolers

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 07:38 PM

When looking into pollution masks for cycling IIRC no matter what the quality of mask you use there are elements in diesel fumes that can penetrate the mask that are not in petrol fumes.

I never got round to getting a mask but see it as a more important accessory than a helmet if cycling in traffic.

I also drive a diesel (12 years old) and I might have to get Br Cornelius to service it for me to help alleviate my guilt.

Edit to change statement after a quick bit of research into cycling masks :blush:

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 08:39 PM

View PostBr Cornelius, on 01 May 2014 - 08:39 AM, said:


Regular vehicle checks and catalytic converters will mean that most diesels produce minimal particulate emissions. If there are cars and trucks going round belching black smoke then it represents a failure of regulation to prevent it.


You can remove the Cat and still hit emission levels. Unfortunately it is illegal at the moment the remove the completely pointless EGR system, which by it's very design of reducing efficiency by 3% means you burn 3% more diesel to get the same power (coupled with the fact it does no good to your engine, since reburning expelled exhaust gases results in poorer efficiency - you are replacing some of the clean air normally combined with the diesel, with exhaust gases that are not clean in air, you reduce the efficiency of the engine and use more fuel again for the same power - add to the fact that exhaust gases contain soot, and introducing soot into your combustion chamber is just bizarre since you'll have soot build up on internal engine parts, that can never be a good idea - hopefully they'll remove this reqiurement in yrs to come).


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Posted 01 May 2014 - 09:26 PM

View PostJeremiah65, on 01 May 2014 - 07:21 PM, said:

It takes more fuel to start a diesel than to leave it running a few minutes to run in and make a delivery...plus some of the refrigerated boxes require the engine running to power the coolers
Also, repairing wear and tear on the engine from frequent temperature changes costs more than the fuel does.
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Edited by Doug1o29, 01 May 2014 - 09:28 PM.

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Posted 01 May 2014 - 09:47 PM

View PostDoug1o29, on 01 May 2014 - 09:26 PM, said:

Also, repairing wear and tear on the engine from frequent temperature changes costs more than the fuel does.
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Hi Doug, we are not talking about cost here, would you rather pay 10 cents more for your diesel or have clouds of diesel polluting the air you breathe, but this is only part of the problem,the rain forests (oxygen providers) are being hacked down at a furious rate all over the world, so there has to be a point of No Return when pollution out strips clean air, = end of life on earth.

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