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Swiss migration quotas: Rift with EU grows

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#1    Still Waters

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 03:27 PM

How far should non-EU member Switzerland follow the bloc's rules - and should the EU punish it if it does not?

The question has become live since the Swiss voted to introduce immigration quotas - contrary to the freedom of movement agreement it had signed with the EU.

And Brussels is aware that its response could have consequences in other countries which may seek to loosen their ties with the European Union.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...europe-27244959

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 03:33 PM

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"I don't think we will be able to square this circle," said Ivo Scherrer, founder of a new political group called Operation Libero, designed, he says, to offer a different, less isolationist vision for Switzerland.

Why do so many people thinking having controlled borders or not sticking your nose to the business of every country around you is isolationist?


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 04:02 PM

View PostWickian, on 04 May 2014 - 03:33 PM, said:

Why do so many people thinking having controlled borders or not sticking your nose to the business of every country around you is isolationist?
I think their goal is to eliminate the idea of "countries" and make everyone part of a single government.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 04:11 PM

I had no idea that Switzerland was not part of the EU. Good for you Switzerland!!!

I think if the people, whom the Swiss government works for, decide they want to vote for immigration limits, I say too bad for the EU. Treaties are renegotiated all the time.

I say good for the Swiss people standing up for themselves.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 06:26 PM

The EU hates Switzerland anyway , as Switzerland practices a form of direct democracy, where the people really CAN compel their government to adopt - or abandon - specific laws. This is unique on the planet, as far as I am aware. It makes Switzerland the joker in the pack, and highly resistant to the propaganda of the European Project.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:17 PM

View Postand then, on 04 May 2014 - 04:02 PM, said:

I think their goal is to eliminate the idea of "countries" and make everyone part of a single government.

You got it right there,Single government no democracy just like the old USSR.Personally I hope Switzerland go tell Barroso and his self-styled politburo to go swivel....

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:41 PM

The E.U seems like thugs to me.

"Do what we say or suffer" is what it sounds like :innocent:

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 07:43 PM

The Free movement of people is a corner stone of the European Union. they'll never bend on this issue, so Switzerland will have to take the full brute force coming its way from the EU. i guess we'll see another Swiss vote within 12 months, because the first vote was a close call.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 09:20 PM

The EU will talk big, but given that all the Eurocrats have their bank accounts hidden in Switzerland, they'll do exactly nothing to actually threaten the place.

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Posted 04 May 2014 - 09:55 PM

View PostRoofGardener, on 04 May 2014 - 06:26 PM, said:

The EU hates Switzerland anyway , as Switzerland practices a form of direct democracy, where the people really CAN compel their government to adopt - or abandon - specific laws. This is unique on the planet, as far as I am aware. It makes Switzerland the joker in the pack, and highly resistant to the propaganda of the European Project.

Where does this stuff come from!! "The EU hates Switzerland"!! Utter balls and complete fiction.

If Switzerland is "highly resistant to the propoganda of the European project" why did they choose to sign treaties with the EU and adopt provisions from EU legislation to allow it to participate in the EU single market?


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Posted 04 May 2014 - 09:59 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 04 May 2014 - 07:41 PM, said:

The E.U seems like thugs to me.

"Do what we say or suffer" is what it sounds like :innocent:

Do a little research before you judge. Nobody forced the Swiss to sign up. They did it because they wanted the benefits. You join a club, even as an associate member, you abide by the rules or leave. Simple.


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Posted 05 May 2014 - 12:21 AM

View PostBorder Collie, on 04 May 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Do a little research before you judge. Nobody forced the Swiss to sign up. They did it because they wanted the benefits. You join a club, even as an associate member, you abide by the rules or leave. Simple.

So the EU threat to impose tariffs and access to a single market which would break higher laws and most if not all International rules is not bullying?

You'll find that it is not quite so easy to leave their little club,just listen to the sound of Dummies being spat in Brussels if you do.

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:29 AM

View Poststevewinn, on 04 May 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

The Free movement of people is a corner stone of the European Union. they'll never bend on this issue, so Switzerland will have to take the full brute force coming its way from the EU. i guess we'll see another Swiss vote within 12 months, because the first vote was a close call.

"Will have to take the full brute force coming it's way"

That's exactly what I'm talking about. That is how the EU acts, do as I say or suffer

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 02:50 AM

View PostBorder Collie, on 04 May 2014 - 09:59 PM, said:

Do a little research before you judge. Nobody forced the Swiss to sign up. They did it because they wanted the benefits. You join a club, even as an associate member, you abide by the rules or leave. Simple.
Are they then to be Forced to remain in the treaty? Or, should dropping out of the one treaty cause for the EU to drop them all in retribution?

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Posted 05 May 2014 - 09:07 AM

It was ok when it first started out as a common market, reduce import / export tariffs ,pool resources like several countries building parts of aircraft,& cars etcetera then it went Political and thats when the fertilizer hit the windmill.Now we have a Euro gov't telling us that we can't deport known terrorists, as they may be killed if they go back to their own states.Then there is a huge population movement  from small countries into the big 3 , Germany, France & U.K and 3/4 of these people have no trade expertise to offer so they sponge off the state and cause high unemployment.Then if anyone tries to leave they threaten to block all exports,and to isolate the country leaving, so you either stay and be bullied and ruled by beaurocrats who hate you anyway or get out and have a huge slice of your export market cut off.The laws these guys make are incredible, they even tried to block imports of "straight" bananas.Its a big joke if it wasn't serious.

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