Whisperer Posted May 12, 2014 #26 Share Posted May 12, 2014 What a sad indictment on human concern, killing off something because one believes they should, for their own good...who the hell made you'all God? Nature always takes care of its own and every creature, no matter an interfering humans concern, deserves and has the right to live....and die on its own terms.... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Sam Posted May 12, 2014 #27 Share Posted May 12, 2014 What I like to know, does all those legs work for the goat? Can the goat walk in a unique way compared to its siblings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waif Posted May 12, 2014 #28 Share Posted May 12, 2014 I wish there was some kind of follow up story here. I'd like to know what eventually happened to that kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bendy Demon Posted May 12, 2014 #29 Share Posted May 12, 2014 What I like to know, does all those legs work for the goat? Can the goat walk in a unique way compared to its siblings? I don't think it can walk at all. When that farmer was holding the goat, all of its legs were totally limp so I doubt its nervous system was able to sort any of it out. Unless it someday learns to roll around like some giant wagon wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skep B Posted May 13, 2014 #30 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Unless it someday learns to roll around like some giant wagon wheel. ....thats a nightmarish image. No wonder satanists like goats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundew Posted May 13, 2014 #31 Share Posted May 13, 2014 Generally speaking, any grossly deformed animal does not live long. There may be exceptions of course but generally the mother will reject it, or its deformities will prevent it from standing, walking, feeding, escaping from predators and so forth. It may seem cruel to put an animal down, but on the other hand, if it isn't feeding it will die a slow painful death from starvation and one could argue allowing that to happen is equally cruel. A lady I know found a very cute calico long haired kitten about 5 weeks old that the mother had rejected, I happened at the time to have a cat that had three kittens the same age so I brought it home. The mother cat at first accepted it and fed it, but it quickly became obvious that something was very wrong with the kitten. It would only walk in circles, over and over and within a few days our cat rejected it as well and we had to put it down. No, it isn't pleasant, but sometimes it seems more cruel just to let nature take its course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted May 13, 2014 Author #32 Share Posted May 13, 2014 This is hardly a comparison and I don't know why you keep bringing up human examples. This is about a goat, not a human and while I love animals too, they do not have the same value as a human. I certainly do not advocate cruelty and if you can help an animal that is within the means of being saved then fine. But on a farm, there is tons of work to be done and no one is going to have the time to spend watching over this thing and from what I can see, it is going to need as much care as a bed-ridden human. Even if this thing was to manage to get up, it is burdened with the task of dragging around useless limbs that will only serve to get in the way and increase its chances of getting injured. Yes, animals are adaptable but there is a limit to that too. Even in the wild such an aberration won't be tolerated for long and since goats are herd animals and move a lot..I doubt the rest of the herd is going to wait around for a goatling as it drags itself along. Whatever. It won't live long, fortunately. Because, obviously, we are mammals. Your nervous system is essentially not different than goat’s. Sure, the anatomy is different, but the way nerves work is the same. The way minds work is not the same. Great deal of what we do is determined by fear alone, and we’ve been all so fearful of imperfection lately it has become not just stupid but also dangerous. What I like to know, does all those legs work for the goat? Can the goat walk in a unique way compared to its siblings? No. If the kid survives, its own limbs will work and develop, but the parasitic, underdeveloped twin’s limbs will not develop properly because they won’t be used, since this baby goat only looks like a goat with 8 legs, while it’s actually two goats fused, only one having all body parts, the other existing just as few body parts attached to the ”whole” twin. An example of a human child, Deepak Kumar Pashwan, who was otherwise healthy but had parasitic twin’s limbs growing out of his body - The photos (that may be unsettling for viewers unaccustomed to imperfection) show clear difference in development of own and parasitic limbs: http://news.nationalpost.com/2010/06/09/parasitic-twin-dangling-from-indian-boys-stomach-removed-in-bangalore/ The reason why Deepak and his parents wanted the parasitic twin removed is more than obvious, it’s far from convenient to have useless extra limbs dangling from your body, plus they didn’t like the religious fuss (Hindu deities are depicted with many arms). In short, while there’s no pleasant parasitic twin situation, not all of them are deadly. Just damn strange. I wish there was some kind of follow up story here. I'd like to know what eventually happened to that kid. Yes, me too. If that kid survives it probably will make it to the news again and in that case, I'll sure post a link. Generally speaking, any grossly deformed animal does not live long. There may be exceptions of course but generally the mother will reject it, or its deformities will prevent it from standing, walking, feeding, escaping from predators and so forth. It may seem cruel to put an animal down, but on the other hand, if it isn't feeding it will die a slow painful death from starvation and one could argue allowing that to happen is equally cruel. A lady I know found a very cute calico long haired kitten about 5 weeks old that the mother had rejected, I happened at the time to have a cat that had three kittens the same age so I brought it home. The mother cat at first accepted it and fed it, but it quickly became obvious that something was very wrong with the kitten. It would only walk in circles, over and over and within a few days our cat rejected it as well and we had to put it down. No, it isn't pleasant, but sometimes it seems more cruel just to let nature take its course. Sometimes, yes. Every time, no. I think we’re generally too fast in writing someone off lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabby Kitten Posted May 13, 2014 #33 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I feel sick now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted May 13, 2014 Author #34 Share Posted May 13, 2014 I feel sick now Don’t, it’s just few limbs more than usual. Extra limbs is not what kills some fused twins, it’s the internal organs that may be also duplicated and may be in a mess. Like, having one heart to pump for four kidneys and god knows what else. Some extra organs may be functional, others not, some combinations may be viable, others not... So it’s that what we don’t see that may be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyBear Posted May 14, 2014 #35 Share Posted May 14, 2014 What a sad indictment on human concern, killing off something because one believes they should, for their own good...who the hell made you'all God? Nature always takes care of its own and every creature, no matter an interfering humans concern, deserves and has the right to live....and die on its own terms.... Well,I think this little one will not survive..it's not even able to walk on its own,let alone feed..this is not about "being God" as you put it(though some humans DO think they're God) it is about compassion IMO..would you want to be so cruel as to let this little one suffer before it dies?I have seen many euthinazations and every one of them was because the animal was suffering or in pain..this matter is up to the farmer,not us..and you know,this physical life is not "all there is"...there is so much more to ALL of us,all of God's creation than anyone can ever truly comprehend until we have all made that journey to the other side..when I've been present at a human or animal's death,I say a prayer for their spirit,mourn the temporary loss,and take comfort in the fact that their suffering is over and they have gone to a much better place..and did it ever occur to you that putting down an animal that is in pain or suffering is in a way nature taking care of its own?You are not a judge of what is right or wrong,just as none of us are..the decision of whether to put down this animal is not your decision,it is not mine...have you ever had to make the agonizing decision to have a beloved fuzzy companion put down because it was in pain or suffering?I have,a few times,and it was THE WORST..but one needs to think of the animal and what's best for them..none of us have the right to judge.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kannin Posted May 19, 2014 #36 Share Posted May 19, 2014 octogoat, octogoat does what ever an octogoat does 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted May 19, 2014 #37 Share Posted May 19, 2014 octogoat, octogoat does what ever an octogoat does can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MahMotherFTW Posted May 20, 2014 #38 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Who's that goat with the eight strong legs? Tried to make me breakfast but broke my eggs! Octogoooooooooat! Nobody suspects a thing! OK, I'm done now. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted May 20, 2014 Author #39 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Who's that goat with the eight strong legs? Tried to make me breakfast but broke my eggs! Octogoooooooooat! Nobody suspects a thing! OK, I'm done now. Welcome to UM! (You didn't sign up just for that one, right? ) Edited May 20, 2014 by Helen of Annoy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Chubb Posted May 29, 2014 #40 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Who's that goat with the eight strong legs? Tried to make me breakfast but broke my eggs! Octogoooooooooat! Nobody suspects a thing! OK, I'm done now. Awesome entrance Welcome to UM! (You didn't sign up just for that one, right? ) I hope so, the enigma that is MahMotherFTW has begun... (cue Twilight Zone music) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MahMotherFTW Posted June 17, 2014 #41 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Welcome to UM! (You didn't sign up just for that one, right? ) Maybe... Ok, I forgot I made an account here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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