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#16    twpdyp

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:13 PM

What if the residents of the Ivory Coast do not want French involvment in their issues? Will France and the all powerfull U.N.(Utterly Needless) pull out if the mandate of the citizens is that they are not welcome?

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:17 PM

this is the problem with america and george bush's america.

Every situation is not black and white, every situation does not have the same solution (which more often than not seems to be killing with ush).

The french are bloody PEACEKEEPING , they arent invading, controlling or running the country for god sake.

Its a completley differnet situation.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:20 PM

What if the citizens of The Ivory Coast do not want them there? Will the French forces and the U.N.(Utterly Needless) with draw from their land?

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:24 PM


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I am sorry the U.N. has no effect on me. They have proven to be a bunch of self absorbed, powerless, gossips.


That's your answer then is it. Just as long as you do not recognise legal authority, which regardless of your understanding the UN is...then it's ok to go about committing crimes.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:33 PM

It works for the U.N. Only their crime is apathy, top heavy managment, and slow moving responses to a crisis. For an organization of that size to work effectively it must be scaled down and their powers focused on peace not on ecology, birth rates, sickness, and all of the other things they involve themselves with. They are a dinosaur and in desperate need of a complete overhaul. As for the French and their military activites in The Ivory Coast, my comments were meant as an illustration of just how quick the shoe can be put on the other foot. And when it is the right shoe being forced on to the left foot it kind of hurts don't it.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 02:40 PM

Found this article on The Conflict in Ivory Coast, its very long so I have only pasted a quarter of it the rest you can read from the link below...pretty interesting...

he conflict in the west African nation of Ivory Coast [Côte d'Ivoire] can be traced to the military coup that took place in 1999. Up until then, the country, the world's largest cocoa producer, had been seen as a model of stability in the continent. The country is predominatly Muslim in the north of the country and predominantly Christian in the south and west.  

By the time of the uprising by disgruntled soldiers on the night of September 18-19, 2002, the country was experiencing its sixth coup or attempted coup in the space of less than three years. The attempted coup began when as many as 800 soldiers mutinied before dawn after it was learned that some members of the army would be sacked and thus that hundreds of soldiers would be demobolized. It was reported that a number of those concerned were followers of the General Robert Guei, the instigator of the 1999 military coup who eventually lost power as a result of popular elections.  

The city of Abidjan was the site of one of three simultaneous rebel attacks. But control of Abidjan, was secured by loyalist forces after a day of gun and mortar battle that reportedly killed at least 270 people. Among the victims of the putsch attempt were the country's Minister of the Interior, the former head of state, General (Robert) Guei, along with his wife, son, and grandchildren who all died in a gunfire attack on his home in Abidjan.  

Though France, who has strong interests in this former colony of hers, had approximately 600 troops stationed in Abidjan under the terms of a bilateral agreement, the French government had not called on them to intervene.  

Rebels announced on the following Sunday their willingness to enter negotiations with the government, provided that a third party intervene. To that effect, they sent a list of their demands to the French Embassy in the capital. The latter was reinforcing its troop presense in the country, officialy to help with the possible evacuation of French nationals which number in the vicinity of 20-thousand, and other foreigners. The rebel announcement came just as a military convoy of armored vehicles and tanks was approaching the central Ivory Coast city of Bouake and the northern town of Korhogthat that remained under the control of anti-government forces. Rebel demands were the reintegration of deserters into the army; the release from prison of military and paramilitary police officers; and better pay.  

In the meantime, the home of former Prime Minister Alassane Ouattara, the leader of Ivory Coast's main opposition party, was set on fire. Ouattara had already taken refuge in the French Ambassador's residence. Henri Konan Bedie, another of the country's Former President, also sought refuge at the Canadian ambassador's residence.  

On September 23, reports began coming out of gunfire being exchanged in Bouake, the country's second largest city. By then, rebels had taken control of the town of Tebissou, located about 70 kilometers south of Bouake near the political capital of Yamoussoukro, at the airport of which some French troops were being camped.  

On September 24, 2002, heavy fighting broke out between both sides in Bouake. With more than 100 American children and staff caught at the International Christian Academy, a missionary boarding school, counted among those caught in the fighting there, U.S. Special Forces were dispatched to the region, following the request of the U.S. Ambassador to Ivory Coast, Arlene Render. Neighboring Ghana was to serve as a staging base for the 200 U.S. troops from the military's European Command. The situation at the Bouake missionary boarding school was eventually resolved after French troops rescued the people who had taken refuge there. France finished evacuating more than one-thousand of its citizens, and others, including hundreds of Americans, from rebel-held Bouake, Ivory Coast's second largest city on September 27.  

In the meantime, it was reported the Ivoirian government was claiming the coup attempt to be supported by an unidentified neighboring country. The accusations led to attacks by Ivorian security forces and citizens against Ivory Coast's large community of immigrant workers from Burkina Faso. Nigeria meanwhile began providing assistance to the Ivoirian government in the form of three fighter jets which were dispatched to Abidjan. Military sources in the country were reported as saying that these would be used to fly over and, possibly, attacking rebel targets.  

By September 28, 2002, calls were growing among West African leaders for France to take an active role in ending the rebellion. Ivory Coast Prime Minister Pascal Affi N'Guessan told French journalists that his government wanted France to help the government with logistical support in its battle with renegade soldiers. This was echoed by Senegalese President Abdoulaye Wade, the head of ECOWAS (Economic Community of West African States), who was quoted as saying that provided ECOWAS decides to send a multi-national force of West African peacekeepers to Ivory Coast, France should then send logistical aid. ECOWAS was itself meeting on September 29 in Accra, Ghana, to discuss the question of dispatching a peacekeeping force. The meeting would include Burkina Faso's President Blaise Compaore.  

It was also announced by Ivorian Ambassador to the United Nations, Djessan Philippe Djangone-Bi, that Ivory Coast was upgrading its arsenal to combat heavily armed rebels though the source of the weapons remained undisclosed. He claimed the rebels to be armed young men originally from Burkina Faso, Sierra Leon, and Liberia. According again to Djangone-Bi, cocoa production would be unaffected by the rebellion; the country's cocoa belt and main ports of Abidjan and San Padre being untouched by fighting.  

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:05 PM

QUOTE(wunarmdscissor @ Nov 7 2004, 12:33 PM)
thats a nice little racist comment.

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Why? Why would it be racist? Hell, why would it be even as racist as calling americans sheeple or stupid or anything like that?

The french are known by frogs. Each time they sent a shipment, a bunch of frogs came with them. Thats how the thing started... people started saying "Oh no, the frogs are gonna arive soon."

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:05 PM

cat.gif  three F-1's ??? didn't they stop making F-1's in the late 1970's ??


two-- SU-25's

together they don't even add up to half of an unmanned squadron-- cat.gif  wacko.gif


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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:06 PM

French people consider it a racial insult.

Just so you know

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:13 PM

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wunarmdscissor Posted Today, 11:06 AM
  French people consider it a racial insult.

Just so you know

Stellar I believe I am going to agree with wunarmdscissor on this one. I think the French find the "frog" thing insulting.


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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:16 PM

yay me an twdyp agreeing on something.

The first sign of impending apolocalypse

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:23 PM

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  yay me an twdyp agreeing on something.

The first sign of impending apolocalypse

LOL  no I think it is something even more sinister and doom casting. OMG, wunarmdscissor you don't suppose that maybe liberals and conservatives can live in the same world and get along. Perhaps even going further, past getting along, into maybe working together to solve the world problems. Pipe dream or can it happen? I think it can.


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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:24 PM

you should try living here,

there isnt nearly the nastiness and hatred in our politics that seemed to be the underlying them of that entire election campaign.

It was unerving and both parties were as bad as each other.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:25 PM

QUOTE(twpdyp @ Nov 7 2004, 03:13 PM)
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wunarmdscissor Posted Today, 11:06 AM
  French people consider it a racial insult.

Just so you know

Stellar I believe I am going to agree with wunarmdscissor on this one. I think the French find the "frog" thing insulting.

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I cant see why its any different than ppl calling americans stupid or sheeple or anything like that...

(Plus, maybe they should ask for a cease fire... they stop treating american tourists badly, and people stop calling them frogs...)

Edited by Stellar, 07 November 2004 - 03:27 PM.

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Posted 07 November 2004 - 03:26 PM

says who stelar????????

what a downright daft thing to say.

And french people werent accosted in america lol.

After george bush' speeches and the whole "freedom fries" laughing stock what wuold u expect.

Anyway americans arent treated like sh** over there.

Only the ones who expect them to speak english and no nothing of their culture.

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