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#1    Gman95

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 03:13 AM

G'day. There is talk of an accurate simulated universe down to the very atom.

This got me thinking... what if this simulation creates self aware beings like us? The code was not design for such things but being near-randomly generated could the code evolve itself?


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:53 AM

that would be epic :)

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:01 AM

I have seen calculations that if such a thing is possible then the odds are overwhelming we are in one.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:08 AM

If the simulation created sentient beings then would the simulation itself become self aware? It sounds like a thing from Battlestar Galactica...


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 10:14 AM

No but a detailed simulation allowed to run long enough would evolve life and maybe intelligent life.   The thing itself though would have no mechanism for becoming sentient, only beings that evolved in it.  At least that is how I understand it.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:25 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 10:14 AM, said:

No but a detailed simulation allowed to run long enough would evolve life and maybe intelligent life.   The thing itself though would have no mechanism for becoming sentient, only beings that evolved in it.  At least that is how I understand it.
I disagree a system filled with conscious beings has the potential to form a conscious super organism. Just because those beings might not be aware of it doesn't mean it might not behave that way from a larger outside perspective.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:30 AM

View PostWhite Crane Feather, on 10 May 2014 - 11:25 AM, said:

I disagree a system filled with conscious beings has the potential to form a conscious super organism. Just because those beings might not be aware of it doesn't mean it might not behave that way from a larger outside perspective.
I'm sorry but you do seem to sometimes be air-headed.  Nothing is impossible; so what?


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:33 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 11:30 AM, said:

I'm sorry but you do seem to sometimes be air-headed.  Nothing is impossible; so what?
"Air headed?" :D Because I disagree with you. Ok there Frank. Bad mood this morning are we?

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:40 AM

As I said, anything is possible.  You are probably leading to the fact of sentience in our universe meaning the cosmos is sentient.  I ain't buyin' it and you need to show me where it is something more than air-headed.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:13 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 11:40 AM, said:

As I said, anything is possible.  You are probably leading to the fact of sentience in our universe meaning the cosmos is sentient.  I ain't buyin' it and you need to show me where it is something more than air-headed.
Your mind and body is a universe to the microbes, cells, proteins etc etc that inhabit it. Nature time and time again shows us that it builds upon itself through evolution. The mistake many make is that we are separate. We are not. It's an illusion. Consider for a moment, you were the size of a large reg giant star. When you analyzed the earth, you would see an entity. That 1) re acted with its environment. ( you sent a little asteroid its way and the earth sent little things out to deflect it). 2) was trying to reproduce. ( again you observed little see like pods were sent to neighboring planets to inceminate it with life like itself) 3) it responded a tiny burst of coherent radio waves you sent its way with a coherent burst back. ( communication ?) hard to tell because entire generations of what makes its innerworkings come into being then die back into the system in the course of what is only a few moments to you. About 300,000 years is a day in the life of the sun comparatively speaking.

From your perspective the earth would be a tiny living thing with some awareness of its surroundings, but not nearly as much as your own.

It's a matter of perspective frank. It's terribly arrogant to assume we are the only type of consciousness.









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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:20 PM

View PostGman95, on 10 May 2014 - 03:13 AM, said:

G'day. There is talk of an accurate simulated universe down to the very atom.

This got me thinking... what if this simulation creates self aware beings like us? The code was not design for such things but being near-randomly generated could the code evolve itself?

Yes. This is called a 'glitch' in the Matrix.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:21 PM

This one does it better.



"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:24 PM

As I said anything is possible; because someone can think it up don't mean anything more than that someone can think it up.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 12:51 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 12:24 PM, said:

As I said anything is possible; because someone can think it up don't mean anything more than that someone can think it up.
Well..... I suppose there is no way of learning anything without some  "airheadedness" then. There is a big difference between making things up and making an attempt to observe them from a different perspective. Last time I checked, none of the material presented in those videos was made up though.

We are living proof that whatever consciousness is, at least one part of the universe can produce it. No one can doubt that we are just a small part of a much larger system. Maybe it's just me being an airhead, but I find it terribly unlikely that our little smidgin of awareness only exists with us on our scales. It's the same fallacy of thinking we are the center of the universe just in a different form.

"I wish neither to possess, Nor to be possessed. I no longer covet paradise, more important, I no longer fear hell. The medicine for my suffering I had within me from the very beginning, but I did not take it. My ailment came from within myself, But I did not observe it until this moment. Now I see that I will never find the light.  Unless, like the candle, I am my own fuel, Consuming myself. "
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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:09 PM

Simulated universe, or holographic universe? Michael Talbot wrote a book about that subject, fairly persuasive.

Edited by Babe Ruth, 10 May 2014 - 01:11 PM.





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