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#1    HappyMonkey

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 07:18 AM

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A conservative religious-rights group targeted Broward County on Monday in an ongoing campaign contending that faith is under attack in America’s elementary schools.

The facts involving a Park Lakes Elementary student seeking to read a Bible in school, like other similar cases before it, are in dispute — but that didn’t prevent the story from going viral on conservative websites and news media.


Read more here: http://www.miamihera...l#storylink=cpy

http://www.miamihera...-religious.html

Had some problem finding information about this, most of the hits seemed to be copies of a press release with only slight tweaking across news sites.
And most of them were... sites of dubious content.
If this is actually as reported by the defendents, then I have a problem.
As a secularist, the student should have been able to read whatever he liked during a free reading period.
  Whether he's reading the Bible, The God Delusion, the Koran, or the Satanists Bible.
If it's as the school system said, that the time period was meant for Accelerated Reading instead, and if on other times the student is free to read whatever they wish, then I'm on the side of the school.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 07:33 AM

Accelerated reading? If he was onto the Bible already he'd hardly need that. But yes, it sounds like one of those "War on Christianity!" stories that you often see, doesn't it.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:14 AM

The school Board confirmed in the Article that it was an "Accelerated Reading" programme where, I guess, certain literary material is offered with the specific intent of increasing vocabulary range - beyond the doctrinal mantras of religious publications... just a thought


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:18 AM

When I was working on learning English it was recommended I read the Bible.  My father advised against it, "Or forsooth thou wilt seem a droll fellow when thou speakest."


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:20 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 10 May 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

Accelerated reading? If he was onto the Bible already he'd hardly need that. But yes, it sounds like one of those "War on Christianity!" stories that you often see, doesn't it.
Christians have to be persecuted or their religion is wrong.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:40 AM

View PostAdmiral Rhubarb, on 10 May 2014 - 07:33 AM, said:

Accelerated reading? If he was onto the Bible already he'd hardly need that. But yes, it sounds like one of those "War on Christianity!" stories that you often see, doesn't it.
Need is different than requirment. We had a similar program in my school growing up, and I'd read so many books already by that point I had no issue in keeping up with my grade level for it. On my own time I'd read books far outside of my grade level that got me in trouble with my teachers.

  I never read the Bible in class as there was a separate class for it, this being a Catholic school. I might have gotten away with it already having all my required credits. But if I didn't, I can see the teacher having a problem when the reading time is supposed to be specific to the AR program.
I remember the librarian forced this kid to read Curios George just so he'd have the credits for it. He ended up flunking the test on the book anyway.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:45 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 10 May 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

The school Board confirmed in the Article that it was an "Accelerated Reading" programme where, I guess, certain literary material is offered with the specific intent of increasing vocabulary range - beyond the doctrinal mantras of religious publications... just a thought
If I remember right, the idea is to make sure student's reading skills are kept up to their grade level.
Besides, a lot of young adult fiction has lots of strong Christian overtones to it, at least when I was taking these programs.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 08:52 AM

Get them while they are young and more easily indoctrinated.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:11 AM

There are, here in Oz, two types of reading exercises.
One is so you can "benchmark" the kids (basically, everyone reads the same text, if you're good you go up until the text is suitable challenging, if it's too challenging you go down) and the other is for fun. Sounds to me like it was reading for benchmarking.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:12 AM

View Postkeithisco, on 10 May 2014 - 08:14 AM, said:

The school Board confirmed in the Article that it was an "Accelerated Reading" programme where, I guess, certain literary material is offered with the specific intent of increasing vocabulary range - beyond the doctrinal mantras of religious publications... just a thought
the bible is the most quoted book in history, you can increase your vocabulary immensely. i think whether your for or against christianity it should be read completely at least once. no one should relie on the oppinion of another about a book they havent read. i didnt even read books before i read the bible and it inspired me to devour every book i lay my hands on. im going through all the classics who have stood the test of time.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:16 AM

Naw I don't believe anyone has ever read the entire Bible, and there is certainly no need to.  I generally bog down in Jeremiah although sometimes I don't get as far as getting through Leviticus.  Excerpts are a better way to go.

For vocabulary and English idiom Shakespeare is far better.  Do pay attention when you look up words as to whether they may be "archaic" though.


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Posted 10 May 2014 - 09:31 AM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Naw I don't believe anyone has ever read the entire Bible, and there is certainly no need to.  I generally bog down in Jeremiah although sometimes I don't get as far as getting through Leviticus.  Excerpts are a better way to go.

For vocabulary and English idiom Shakespeare is far better.  Do pay attention when you look up words as to whether they may be "archaic" though.
shakespeare also quotes the bible in alot of his plays. he almost definately read the bible him self.

Knowledge of Shakespeare's religion is important in understanding the man and his works because of the wealth of biblical and liturgical allusions, both Protestant and Catholic, in his writings and the hidden references to contemporary religious tensions that are claimed to be found in the plays.[1] The topic is the subject of intense scholarly debate. There is no direct evidence of William Shakespeare's religious affiliation; however, over the years there have been many speculations about the personal religious beliefs that he may have held, if any. These speculations are based on circumstantial evidence from historical records and on analysis of his published work. Some evidence[which?] suggests that Shakespeare's family had Catholic sympathies and that he himself was a secret Catholic; although there is disagreement over whether he in fact was so, fewer scholars now maintain the former consensus position provided that he was a member of the established Anglican Church.[2][3][4][5]
Due to the paucity of direct evidence, general agreement on the matter has not yet been reached. As one analysis of the subject puts it, "One cannot quite speak of a consensus among Shakespeare scholars on this point, though the reluctance of some to admit the possibility of Catholicism in Shakespeare's family is becoming harder to maintain."[6]


i know people who have read the whole bible multiple times, ive only read it once the whole way through to understand the context as a whole. i can now pick and choose which bits i read but i would still like to read it all again.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:04 AM

What is contained in the Bible should be a matter of general knowledge, but it should NEVER be used in state schools for the purpose of proselytising.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 11:09 AM

View PostJJ50, on 10 May 2014 - 11:04 AM, said:

What is contained in the Bible should be a matter of general knowledge, but it should NEVER be used in state schools for the purpose of proselytising.
i agree but if an idividual chooses to read it to advance his own knowledge then it shouldnt of been a problem. i think if they had stated some of the books other students had chosen then we would be able to weigh it worth against them.

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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:34 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 10 May 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

Naw I don't believe anyone has ever read the entire Bible, and there is certainly no need to.
The latter of these is opinion. The former, I have to assume you've made some kind of error in said comment. Unless you're suggesting that no one  in history has ever read the Bible in its entirety.

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