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#1    UM-Bot

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 10:27 AM

The US will no longer have access to the station after 2020 as Russia responds to Ukraine sanctions.

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The $150 billion space station has been synonymous with international co-operation since its construction began back in 1998, but now due to Russia's response to sanctions imposed by the United States over the Ukraine crisis it looks as though the project could come to a rather bitter end.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:35 AM

Ahh maturity. Exactly what we can't expect from our elected leaders the world over.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:40 AM

It's a shame we can't cooperate on a project that helps humanity.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:46 AM

I thought they intended to abandon the space station about then anyway.  If not a 2020 it wasn't long after that.

http://www.foxnews.c...tation-in-2020/


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:48 AM

Its a long time till 2020 and i believe that this project wont be destroyed by politics.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:50 AM

Tit for tat is standard behavior in diplomacy, about the level of three-year-olds.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:00 PM

View Postskookum, on 14 May 2014 - 11:46 AM, said:

I thought they intended to abandon the space station about then anyway.  If not a 2020 it wasn't long after that.

In January this year the US announced plans to extend the life of the ISS until at least 2024: Space Station life 'to be extended'

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:06 PM

View PostSir Smoke aLot, on 14 May 2014 - 11:48 AM, said:

Its a long time till 2020 and i believe that this project wont be destroyed by politics.

The Russian's have plans for a Moon base. It is quite possible that they feel the need to divert funds to that project. As far as I know they had not agreed to the extension of the ISS until 2024. No doubt this announcement was timed to have maximum effect but it may be that they would not have agreed anyway. It is also possible that, if funding is in issue, one the Ukraine crisis is over that Russia can be persuaded to keep the ISS in service for the "right price".

The European's could be key players here. Whilst siding with the USA on the Ukraine issue, ESA continues to co-operate with Russia in space.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:16 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 May 2014 - 11:50 AM, said:

Tit for tat is standard behavior in diplomacy, about the level of three-year-olds.

We-e-ell, it's also been studied in Game Theory - it's a strategy which can be used in one of those two-player two-choice games, the name of which I can't remember: two players represent countries which are at loggerheads, and each can choose either to build lots of weapons or build the economy; if both players build weapons they both gain little, if only one builds weapons he gain a lot; and if both build the economy they both gain something. The tit-for-tat thing comes in when you play the game over and over and can choose to punish the other player for what he did in previous games.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:29 PM

It's childish and that's an end to it.  If the Russians were planning to do it anyway they should say so.  It's kinda like expelling diplomats -- you expel one and we expel one.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 12:50 PM

View PostFrank Merton, on 14 May 2014 - 12:29 PM, said:

It's childish and that's an end to it.  If the Russians were planning to do it anyway they should say so.  It's kinda like expelling diplomats -- you expel one and we expel one.
I'm taking my toys back and kicking you out of my sandbox..  Well as it's been stated above, we have some real mature people in government.  Maybe they just need a timeout in the corner.


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Posted 14 May 2014 - 03:00 PM

I guess politics trump science (unfortunately).

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 04:13 PM

It's simply bluster on the part of Putin.

If he was serious, the start date wouldn't be six years from now.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 05:23 PM

View PostRafterman, on 14 May 2014 - 04:13 PM, said:

If he was serious, the start date wouldn't be six years from now.
Yes it would actually.

The Russian manned space programme is currently as reliant on the ISS as the USA, ESA, Japan and Canada are. Withdrawing from the ISS now would effectively ground the Russian manned programme for the foreseeable future.

Also the Russian's would be breaking treaties with not just the USA but with the other nations involved, including ESA (with whom, as I have already pointed out, they continue to co-operate). These treaties expire in 2020.

In refusing to back the Obama Administration's pledge to extend the station's life until at least 2024 Russia is hitting at the US government without harming either their own space programme or breaking any agreements they have already entered into.

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Posted 14 May 2014 - 05:52 PM

View PostWaspie_Dwarf, on 14 May 2014 - 05:23 PM, said:

Yes it would actually.

The Russian manned space programme is currently as reliant on the ISS as the USA, ESA, Japan and Canada are. Withdrawing from the ISS now would effectively ground the Russian manned programme for the foreseeable future.

Also the Russian's would be breaking treaties with not just the USA but with the other nations involved, including ESA (with whom, as I have already pointed out, they continue to co-operate). These treaties expire in 2020.

In refusing to back the Obama Administration's pledge to extend the station's life until at least 2024 Russia is hitting at the US government without harming either their own space programme or breaking any agreements they have already entered into.

Good points.

That said, such a threat from Putin really doesn't have any teeth given how much can change between now and 2020.

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