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#1    regeneratia

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:43 PM

Personal judgments are swayed by group opinion, but only for 3 days
We all want to feel like we're free-thinking individuals, but there's nothing like the power of social pressure to sway an opinion. New research suggests that people do change their own personal judgments so that they fall in line with the group norm, but the change only seems to last about three days. The research is published in Psychological Science, a journal of the Association for Psychological Science.
http://www.psycholog...for-3-days.html

What do you think of this, while people here on the forum are attacked for their beliefs by a "group"?

Do you think this knowledge will affect what you really do think when amid a group of posters or people?

What changes would you make in your own thinking while amid a "group think" situation?

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 04:57 PM

This reminded me of a study i learned about
you will really likeif you havent  seen it before regeneratia

http://www.age-of-th...conformity.html


It is where people all sit at a table and told to pick which stick is the correct one. All the other people at the table are pay to be there(fake). So they all pick the obvious wrong answer. So what does the guy in the study do? A lot of them tend to go with picking the wrong answer because thats what everyone else is doing

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 05:04 PM

New research? this is not news or new at all.
You just have to look at how some people dress to see how influenced they are.

View Postregeneratia, on 23 May 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:



What do you think of this, while people here on the forum are attacked for their beliefs by a "group"?


no one here attacks in groups. you may have some who have the same opinion, but they do not go out in a group, and as for "attack" because some one questions the beliefs does not mean it is an attack. I have found though that if someone does not like the opinion of others and feels they are not being agreed with, that they class it as an attack.

View Postregeneratia, on 23 May 2014 - 04:43 PM, said:



Do you think this knowledge will affect what you really do think when amid a group of posters or people?


What knowledge? we all know already people can be influenced by others. But most of here do not follow the others, they give their own opinions and if it happens to be the same as others, then so be it, it does not mean they are influenced.

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What changes would you make in your own thinking while amid a "group think" situation?

When someone produces a fact or indisputable evidence to prove a point or proof, which UM posters are good at doing, its when someone disputes the facts and evidence that they claim they are being "attacked".

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 05:14 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 23 May 2014 - 04:57 PM, said:

This reminded me of a study i learned about
you will really likeif you havent  seen it before regeneratia

http://www.age-of-th...conformity.html


It is where people all sit at a table and told to pick which stick is the correct one. All the other people at the table are pay to be there(fake). So they all pick the obvious wrong answer. So what does the guy in the study do? A lot of them tend to go with picking the wrong answer because thats what everyone else is doing

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thank you. Very, very interesting. I find the need to conform a bit questionable.
I was having trouble with my then-toddler child in a store one day. Two ladies came along and sympathized with me. Then they dropped the bad "bomb" (IMHO), stating "Praise The Lord". I looked up, realized I was being "love bombed" and replied, "Thank you, Ladies. I appreciate your words. However I have not yet joined that Jesus cult yet". And left, with my still squirming child.

To the other respondent, freetoroam:
Posted Image  Public Release: 23-May-2014
Posted Image Psychological Science
Personal judgments are swayed by group opinion, but only for 3 days


That means that it was released today. Not really all that old a news release.

Did you know that the impression and opinions in group think only lasts for three days?
I think dismissiveness is a plague on today's ability to really think about issues. Have you fallen into the dismissiveness group think? Will it only last for three days?

And again I say, no facts can be presented in this media, all threads on this forum. You are confusing facts with reports.
Even what I have presented in this thread is report, not fact, regardless of the source. Facts are those things you can see with your own eyes, or hold in your hand or personally experience. Reports are those things that people tell you, like this tid-bit of research. That is why I never say, the facts have been shown, or provided. It is all report. This is not new thinking. Marcus Aurelius wrote about it in MEDITATIONS.

Edited by regeneratia, 23 May 2014 - 05:22 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 05:48 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 23 May 2014 - 05:14 PM, said:

thank you. Very, very interesting. I find the need to conform a bit questionable.
I was having trouble with my then-toddler child in a store one day. Two ladies came along and sympathized with me. Then they dropped the bad "bomb" (IMHO), stating "Praise The Lord". I looked up, realized I was being "love bombed" and replied, "Thank you, Ladies. I appreciate your words. However I have not yet joined that Jesus cult yet". And left, with my still squirming child.

To the other respondent, freetoroam:
Posted Image  Public Release: 23-May-2014
Posted Image Psychological Science
Personal judgments are swayed by group opinion, but only for 3 days


That means that it was released today. Not really all that old a news release.

Did you know that the impression and opinions in group think only lasts for three days?
I think dismissiveness is a plague on today's ability to really think about issues. Have you fallen into the dismissiveness group think? Will it only last for three days?

And again I say, no facts can be presented in this media, all threads on this forum. You are confusing facts with reports.
Even what I have presented in this thread is report, not fact, regardless of the source. Facts are those things you can see with your own eyes, or hold in your hand or personally experience. Reports are those things that people tell you, like this tid-bit of research. That is why I never say, the facts have been shown, or provided. It is all report. This is not new thinking. Marcus Aurelius wrote about it in MEDITATIONS.
So their report is new but its not new news, although I do not see how the 3 day bit can be right.
As for the 3 days!! I do not get this at all and it must be based on the study environment because its clear people can be influenced for far longer. Take fashion, religion, music, the people who follow in those groups do so for longer than 3 days.

Not sure what  you mean about the facts and reports bit, when people put facts on here they generally have the proof to back them up, i do not take reports as facts. I did not mention the word report, so do not understand why you have mentioned it. When indisputable evidence has been given to prove a fact, how can it be disputed? but some will try and then claim that they are being attacked because they still can not accept it as it does not conform to their belief.

Edited by freetoroam, 23 May 2014 - 05:51 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 06:19 PM

View Postfreetoroam, on 23 May 2014 - 05:48 PM, said:

So their report is new but its not new news, although I do not see how the 3 day bit can be right.
As for the 3 days!! I do not get this at all and it must be based on the study environment because its clear people can be influenced for far longer. Take fashion, religion, music, the people who follow in those groups do so for longer than 3 days.

Not sure what  you mean about the facts and reports bit, when people put facts on here they generally have the proof to back them up, i do not take reports as facts. I did not mention the word report, so do not understand why you have mentioned it. When indisputable evidence has been given to prove a fact, how can it be disputed? but some will try and then claim that they are being attacked because they still can not accept it as it does not conform to their belief.

What I mean is, there can be no real proof present within this forum or on this media, as I explained above. All you are getting is reports that present themselves as fact. You have personally accepted the convention that reports are indeed facts, but they really are not. Anyone can skew information on this media. Some is lost. Sometimes things are added to the report that are NOT fact, but presented with what most assume as facts (yet again, they are mere reports). this form of media is highly vulnerable to external manipuations for all sorts of reasons. No facts can be presented in the digital world. Think about it a bit deeper. However, I am sure my college professor did explain it better than I did. He is the one who taught it to me.

I find it interesting that people are so easily swayed by group think. Would you like to hear a personal story about how I learned about group think at a very early age? If not, I will not relate it.

Edited by regeneratia, 23 May 2014 - 06:23 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 06:29 PM

I thought about responding in this thread, but then I decided I didn't want to ruffle any feathers.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 06:44 PM

As humans everything anyone says or does or dosent say or do effects us in some way if we realize it or not.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:07 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 23 May 2014 - 06:19 PM, said:

What I mean is, there can be no real proof present within this forum or on this media, as I explained above. All you are getting is reports that present themselves as fact. You have personally accepted the convention that reports are indeed facts, but they really are not. Anyone can skew information on this media. Some is lost. Sometimes things are added to the report that are NOT fact, but presented with what most assume as facts (yet again, they are mere reports). this form of media is highly vulnerable to external manipuations for all sorts of reasons. No facts can be presented in the digital world. Think about it a bit deeper. However, I am sure my college professor did explain it better than I did. He is the one who taught it to me.

I find it interesting that people are so easily swayed by group think. Would you like to hear a personal story about how I learned about group think at a very early age? If not, I will not relate it.
reports are not facts as you quite rightly pointed out. Any report on here which is not true is quickly debunked, with research and a bit of general knowledge on where to look, it is  not difficult to find out the correct information.
But to say no facts can be presented in the digital world is completely untrue,
People have always been swayed by group thinking, be it within a family circle, social or media influence. Not sure where this 3 day thing has come from though.

Ok, as long as its not too long winded (I get bored quite quickly) then relate your story to me.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:15 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 23 May 2014 - 06:44 PM, said:

As humans everything anyone says or does or dosent say or do effects us in some way if we realize it or not.

Yeah, there is indeed the phenomonon of general semantics. I have to agree with you.

View Postfreetoroam, on 23 May 2014 - 07:07 PM, said:

reports are not facts as you quite rightly pointed out. Any report on here which is not true is quickly debunked, with research and a bit of general knowledge on where to look, it is  not difficult to find out the correct information.
But to say no facts can be presented in the digital world is completely untrue,
People have always been swayed by group thinking, be it within a family circle, social or media influence. Not sure where this 3 day thing has come from though.

Ok, as long as its not too long winded (I get bored quite quickly) then relate your story to me.

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I don't read debunkers. Not likely to in the future. I have a different way of assessing what is truth and what is not.

I was in the 7th grade in a small rural american school. My class had maybe 16 opr 17 people in it. It was assumed by all that every girl was to at least try out for cheerleader. I went along with that without thinking. As it got closer to the time to try out, it circulated among us girls that all those who tried out for cheerleader could not speak to this one person, another girl who, with foresight, did NOT go out for cheerleaders. So for a while, this person did not have friends among the girls. It didn't help that she was Korean by genetics and the rest of us were white. I thought about it and thought about it. If that is the kind of behavior that happens if you want to be cheerleader, I no longer wanted to be one. Someone else was making up a senseless rule that all others followed. From that day on, I did my own thinking about things. Sometimes I am wrong. Sometimes I am right. Sometimes there was no wrong or right to a situation. But to this very day, that person we couldn't speak to in the 7th grade is my very best of friends. From then on, since the 7th grade, I did not engage in group think. I still don't. I am and will forever be alert to the negative side to group think.

Edited by regeneratia, 23 May 2014 - 07:22 PM.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:16 PM



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Posted 23 May 2014 - 07:37 PM

Okay after reading this study I do have some criticisms of it.

1: First one being that this is a Chinese study done on people in china. For this study it is important because the culture in china is alot more group think then it is in the west. So i wonder if that has any effect.

2: My other criticism is that they tested this by having people rate attractiveness of the opposite sex with pictures.  The problem I have with that is that judging someones attractiveness is not exactly a principle people hold close to their heart. So I also wonder if that has an effect because people are probably more likely to change and compromise views that are not held strongly.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:18 PM

Not to mention in general people don't like to be the outcasts they would rather fall inline with the majority even if there beliefs are not the same.

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:40 PM

Even in the sciences, groupthink can be a hinderment.

"Scientists, according to Kuhn, do not think empirically, advancing from one experimentally proven fact to another as they built an edifice of knowledge piece by piece. Their thinking was dominated by broad, sweeping paradigms they shared with their fellow scientists. These paradigms enabled them to ask questions and make sense of their observations and findings, but made them cognitively incapable of accepting a different paradigm."

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Posted 23 May 2014 - 08:49 PM

View Postregeneratia, on 23 May 2014 - 07:15 PM, said:

Yeah, there is indeed the phenomonon of general semantics. I have to agree with you.



I don't read debunkers. Not likely to in the future. I have a different way of assessing what is truth and what is not.

I was in the 7th grade in a small rural american school. My class had maybe 16 opr 17 people in it. It was assumed by all that every girl was to at least try out for cheerleader. I went along with that without thinking. As it got closer to the time to try out, it circulated among us girls that all those who tried out for cheerleader could not speak to this one person, another girl who, with foresight, did NOT go out for cheerleaders. So for a while, this person did not have friends among the girls. It didn't help that she was Korean by genetics and the rest of us were white. I thought about it and thought about it. If that is the kind of behavior that happens if you want to be cheerleader, I no longer wanted to be one. Someone else was making up a senseless rule that all others followed. From that day on, I did my own thinking about things. Sometimes I am wrong. Sometimes I am right. Sometimes there was no wrong or right to a situation. But to this very day, that person we couldn't speak to in the 7th grade is my very best of friends. From then on, since the 7th grade, I did not engage in group think. I still don't. I am and will forever be alert to the negative side to group think.
This sounds like a classic case of school bullying and the girl making up the senseless rules the leader. This unfortunately does happen in many schools, but the reason why others follow is not because they always think its right, its because they are weak and scared of being left out like the Korean girl.
But this kind of influence is different from the influence fashion or religion or the media have, there is a difference between being bullied to follow something or someone to following it or them out of your choice because you like it or its ideas.
You did the right thing though, you chose not to be influenced by the bullies.

In an ideal World a law would be passed were NO guns were allowed and all those out there destroyed, trouble is the law makers are not going to take a risk of trying to pass that without making sure they are armed first.




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