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Any species capable of manipulation of the natural environment to sustain a population greater than is possible for human beings today would necessarily have a recorded history, plus leave evidence of their technological capability. If the argument is then that this alleged species existed hundreds of million of years ago, so no evidence would be found, then I would reply:

1) We don't know that "no evidence would be found", and

2) The species would be so widespread and numerous we would find at least fossil evidence of them.

Ah! But there were other life forms of life on the earth in the past, besides the human species. Maybe a number species of animal life were predominate in population before the the human species ever became so, at one time in earth's history; or even in combination with the human species at the same time. Some reincarnationists point out animal life as a part of the reincarnation cycle, so maybe they're on to something with that suggestion as part of reincarnation.

That is the real problem with reincarnation. If new souls can be 'generated' (as they would have to be to 'start' a cycle of reincarnation) then it is not necessary that reincarnation occur - or develop - for new generations to have 'souls'. New souls are 'generated' for them. Proposing 'new soul generation' along with reincarnation is like having two noses - the second is entirely pointless and unnecessary, so would likely never develop.

Unless it was needed to be so, because the soul in the aether realm is just another vessel for the mind or user as I like to call it. In which it could be the same process for the soul in the aether realm as it is here in the material world, with new souls being born/created and old souls getting older in the aether realm as well. Then comes the question is there another type of realm beyond, before, greater than that where the user exists? Are there more users in this other realm, more than the souls and material bodies combined we think there is now, ever since the beginning of time? Are there gazillions of users from another realm waiting to become souls in the aether realm, then followed by material bodies in this world, to learn what to do and what not to do through the process of karma, until they achieve perfection and go the way of the 'straight and narrow' like The Christ? Could it be, that the soul is just a aether skeletal design for the material body and that the mind/user is the actually entity that sparks life in the soul and material body combined?

Do all these alien species live and die just to become human souls? Or does their population growth follow the same trend we observe here, so 'reincarnation hypothesis' has the same problems in alien populations as it does in the human one?

Why would alien species only live and die just for the sake of becoming human? Could those entities in the alien material bodies not gain some experience or mind development on their world before they are reincarnated on the earth as human? So you think there is a limit of alien species or a limit of other worlds equal to earth's population with our reincarnation cycle? What if one alien world died out with it's species, say a global apocalyptic event , which was 10 times our population now and some of them are reincarnating on our world now as we speak?

Overall, we are still not accounting for other possibilities.

Notsomuch as 'reincarnationists' are trying to rewrite fundamental laws of population theory, among other scientific disciplines.

Touche' sir! Touche'..........

Oh the silly mind games we tend to play on the internet. I do enjoy this.

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I remember hearing a friend of my Dad's talking about a little boy in his immediate family (nephew?) who was talking about maths. I believe the quote was "I don't know maths now, but I used to know it when I was a grown up." Strange thing for a child to say.

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Very interesting article, definitely poses more questions about our understanding of the metaphysical world!

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Ah! But there were other life forms of life on the earth in the past, besides the human species. Maybe a number species of animal life were predominate in population before the the human species ever became so, at one time in earth's history; or even in combination with the human species at the same time. Some reincarnationists point out animal life as a part of the reincarnation cycle, so maybe they're on to something with that suggestion as part of reincarnation.

Unless it was needed to be so, because the soul in the aether realm is just another vessel for the mind or user as I like to call it. In which it could be the same process for the soul in the aether realm as it is here in the material world, with new souls being born/created and old souls getting older in the aether realm as well. Then comes the question is there another type of realm beyond, before, greater than that where the user exists? Are there more users in this other realm, more than the souls and material bodies combined we think there is now, ever since the beginning of time? Are there gazillions of users from another realm waiting to become souls in the aether realm, then followed by material bodies in this world, to learn what to do and what not to do through the process of karma, until they achieve perfection and go the way of the 'straight and narrow' like The Christ? Could it be, that the soul is just a aether skeletal design for the material body and that the mind/user is the actually entity that sparks life in the soul and material body combined?

Why would alien species only live and die just for the sake of becoming human? Could those entities in the alien material bodies not gain some experience or mind development on their world before they are reincarnated on the earth as human? So you think there is a limit of alien species or a limit of other worlds equal to earth's population with our reincarnation cycle? What if one alien world died out with it's species, say a global apocalyptic event , which was 10 times our population now and some of them are reincarnating on our world now as we speak?

Overall, we are still not accounting for other possibilities.

Touche' sir! Touche'..........

Oh the silly mind games we tend to play on the internet. I do enjoy this.

Yeah. The only way reincarnation even starts to make sense to me is by looking at it from a Final Fantasy 7 point of view, where the planet is a massive lifeforce in, and of itself and every living thing is implemented from this lifeforce. Anytime anything dies, it returns to the planet's lifeforce (Mako Energy in FF7) until it becomes something else. The planet never uses all of this lifeforce at any given time, because it's basically like the soul of the planet itself.

And I think where Leonardo was going with the alien thing... I'm sure many alien species out there would be far more technologically advanced and possibly even less self destructive than we are. What would they really have to gain as an experience as a human??? And as vast as the universe itself is, that's a fairly long distance for a 'soul' to just zap over to become something of this planet, and for what purpose? Come all the way over here to be a plant or an animal? Idk about that... And to become a human? Not too sure about that either, though a bit more likely than a plant or animal. But what makes us so special? If anything I'd imagine we would zap to an alien place of existence.

And if you're going to use the universe as one big soul pit from which souls from all over, go all over to exist in many different experiences, wouldn't that make a human reincarnatimg as a human kind of obsolete? There's really so much experience to be gained in this human life that we would spend many lives reincarnating here, over and over again and consecutively at that? And if we retain memories from such a thing, why is it no one seems to retain memories of a different life entirely, from a different place, as a diffrent being?

As far as "aethers"... We may as well consider other dimensions and alternate universes as well. And in this case you would have infinite souls.

With that being said, "what is the purpose" is really the question, because if there is any kind of goal to be achieved through reincarnation, for any one of these possibilities, or all of them as a whole, I cannot fathom what all those souls would have to gain HERE of all these options. Just doesn't make sense to me. There would have to be a "soul" purpose (little pun there) behind it all. Or would it just happen 'cause it can and there's really no point???

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"look at how logical i seem due to pointing out how illogical the article is"-most of the posts here

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My son (then aged 5)broke his arm on Mother's Day in 1991 and on the way to the ER, he asked me if he was going to die. Of course, I told him no and then asked why he would think that a broken arm would make him die? He told me that his friend Nanje died of a broken arm in Africa. He told me of the area as though he had been there--though he has never been to Africa. I really knew that we were in the ether when he said that his sister now was there and was his sister then. He was clearly talking about a previous life. I wrote down the things he said so I could remember them and come across that paper every so often and read it. I asked him no leading questions--all open ended, and I did not really care one way or the other if he could report a past life experience or not so I did not convey any clues to him that I wanted or didn't want him to have such a tale to tell. It didn't matter at all really cuz he is MY son in THIS life and I love him. The end.

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My son (then aged 5)broke his arm on Mother's Day in 1991 and on the way to the ER, he asked me if he was going to die. Of course, I told him no and then asked why he would think that a broken arm would make him die? He told me that his friend Nanje died of a broken arm in Africa. He told me of the area as though he had been there--though he has never been to Africa. I really knew that we were in the ether when he said that his sister now was there and was his sister then. He was clearly talking about a previous life. I wrote down the things he said so I could remember them and come across that paper every so often and read it. I asked him no leading questions--all open ended, and I did not really care one way or the other if he could report a past life experience or not so I did not convey any clues to him that I wanted or didn't want him to have such a tale to tell. It didn't matter at all really cuz he is MY son in THIS life and I love him. The end.

does your son still talk about his past life now that he's older? have you ever asked him about it since? if it were me i would be trying to get information about it so i could attempt to corroborate any specifics.
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Do most of you still live in the 19th century? Has the last 200 years of advancement, achievement and discovery shown you nothing? Why cling to such outdated and unfounded beliefs when the real world is so much more interesting?

Many in the 19th century shared your viewpoint. "Rational" thinkers had no time for nonsense like this. They would have likely told us to stop living in the 16th century lol...

I don't think we've progressed all that far in the realm of spiritual science as we have in other areas. We've been able to tap the mystery surrounding physics and biology, certainly. And we've put that to tremendous use! But the very fact that we stand on these accomplishments and proclaim ourselves to be enlightened shows how far we still have to go. Humanity is still very young.

The science of sprituality is begining to emerge and in the next few decades it will begin to take root. Incorporating what we have discovered in the physical world and gathering evidence and testing theories, many of these mysteries will be revealed to be nothing more than physical properties of life. The light will be shined on many things paranormal and they will be shown to be an effect of the life force.

Much as Newton could see the effect of light splitting in a prism, it would be another 130 years befor Herschel demonstrated there were physical properties associated with different wavelengths. Before that Newton believed that light was made up of tiny particle but he had no way to test that. He in fact, ended up being dead wrong.

Who knows what we don't know?

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I'm not believing the story any more then you are. But, if there was corroboration, and all of the events were scientifically documented, how would it be explained? Chance? Fraud?

Fraud being the most likely, I think.

It is stories like this that make me wish I was a billionaire, so I could send some lackey over to investigate, or go myself.

I think maybe cultural influence? The link says:

It is customary for elders to take a child at the age of 3 to the home of his previous life if he remembers it. The boy knew the village he was from, so they went there. When they arrived in the village, the boy remembered the name he had in his past life.

If this practise is thought of as legitimate and genuine, maybe he got the story third hand somehow, or overheard something. It would only take one person to say "he looks like so and so reborn" and in a superstitious culture, that might be enough to get the tongues wagging. Then a little embellishment, and hey presto, the supernatural. He might have been led to the grave and even asked if he remembered it, and that omitted by way of exaggeration. It is not unusual for indigenous cultures to take young people out into the wild for some bizarre rituals.

If it happened that is.

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My son (then aged 5)broke his arm on Mother's Day in 1991 and on the way to the ER, he asked me if he was going to die. Of course, I told him no and then asked why he would think that a broken arm would make him die? He told me that his friend Nanje died of a broken arm in Africa. He told me of the area as though he had been there--though he has never been to Africa. I really knew that we were in the ether when he said that his sister now was there and was his sister then. He was clearly talking about a previous life. I wrote down the things he said so I could remember them and come across that paper every so often and read it. I asked him no leading questions--all open ended, and I did not really care one way or the other if he could report a past life experience or not so I did not convey any clues to him that I wanted or didn't want him to have such a tale to tell. It didn't matter at all really cuz he is MY son in THIS life and I love him. The end.

I would probably be exactly the same with my own offspring. Perhaps that's how things like this get started.

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Well this is pretty intense....If its real. I have heard many stories of people talking about a "past life" though.

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Ah people!! Its always an intriguing snippet of a story that sells books! Its called marketing!

If people were actually reincarnated, how come then - we have more people on the planet than ever before?

There is an infinate # of spirits waiting to incarnate.

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There is an infinate # of spirits waiting to incarnate.

Is the line for "Honor Killing Victim" really long?

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Is the line for "Honor Killing Victim" really long?

I don't understand. Like war? Please elaborate.

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And I'm still puzzled. Why should souls that habited a human vessel remain compatible for only human vessels in future too? If you believe in evolution and reincarnation both, it should be obvious we can reincarnate as animals and vice versa.

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I don't understand. Like war? Please elaborate.

You know how at amusement parks the most thrilling rides tend to have the longest lines?

Are there lines in a metaphysical sense for spirits waiting to incarnate?

I doubt their would be as we perceive it.If there is a type of waiting list?Would the incarnate life that ends in a brutal death be in high demand to experience?

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And I'm still puzzled. Why should souls that habited a human vessel remain compatible for only human vessels in future too? If you believe in evolution and reincarnation both, it should be obvious we can reincarnate as animals and vice versa.

One could concievably do this. But it's inconsist with evolving forward. After ones first conscious incarnation, most want to enlighten their eternal spirit. Not, the other direction.

Some after realizing that they do same thing over and over with same result, may wish to opt out of the book of life. Not bad or painful. Like one never was. A blessing in many ways to the regretful spirit.

The spirit woul'd be reabsorbed in to The firmament from which it was made, and put out as something new with no recolection of past lives.

Maybe this kid pnly came back to catch the guy that killed him.

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You know how at amusement parks the most thrilling rides tend to have the longest lines?

Are there lines in a metaphysical sense for spirits waiting to incarnate?

I doubt their would be as we perceive it.If there is a type of waiting list?Would the incarnate life that ends in a brutal death be in high demand to experience?

Haha! Good question.

I doubt It. Jail does seem to be one of the biggies though.

Every one learning at different speeds with eternity to get there.

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And I'm still puzzled. Why should souls that habited a human vessel remain compatible for only human vessels in future too? If you believe in evolution and reincarnation both, it should be obvious we can reincarnate as animals and vice versa.

I agree with you. In fact I think more souls would be non-human born. Noticing certain habits I have in this life, I can't help but think I was a cat of some kind in my last life.

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OK, I have to post these:

http://www.thestir.cafemom.com/big_kid/154894/these_creepy_comments_from_children/ and

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/84107427/?image=84107428

You don't have to read the articles. But read the comments for as long as you can stand it. Over and over and over someone will come on and say their child talked about their "other" life, or their other parent or even who they used to be. Now I kow kids have a large imagination, but the number of times this came up in the comments has me really wondering if there isn't something to it. And that's saying a lot for me, because I'm pretty skeptical about things like this.

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I do not fully believe the idea of reincarnation, but it is starting to make more sense to me.

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Occasionally, on very, very, very rare occasions a person does remember his/her past life or lives; however, there is a good reason why we can not,should not remember our past lives. If we did - our whole social fabric would unravel. Why? Because we ALL have lived before, and reincarnate again to learn more, or to correct past errors, and we could not do that in our present life - if we knew that our current husband/wife/friend/boss had committed some crime against us - or we against them in a previous life.

True imagine a woman kills her abusive husband, after some years she re marries and get a child. When the kid learn to speak the first thing he say is...Ashley, honey, its bob...the one you shot. Im baaaaaack...muahahahaha. Scary!

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About reincarnation, the best honest answer I can give is...I dont know.

Im not talking about this case, but in general. Time to time we hear tales of people who claimed or claims to have been alive in another age. Sometimes we also get pictures or flashes about thing we never experienced before (not talking about deja vu) since I was a child I also had flash backs....about me standing on the deck of a huge ship along with hundreds of other people, and a car crash in a wood, driving a red car when anoher car coming out of nowhere hits me on the drive side. I remeber seeng everything turning around....and then darkness, then again I have the feelings I cant move, I have the feelings of the presence of pain and I can see part of the broken windshield just above me...there is smoke all around me. Then everything slowly vanishes.

I got these flash backs when I was five years old, and I was very sick, high fever. Is that reincarnation or overactive imagination? I dont know, and frankly I dont care...Its not important. But I think our brain can create some very realistic simulations (dreams/fantasy) just by gathering pieces of informations here and there and putting the pieces together it will create a movie that rivals hollywood.

I dont know if reincarnation is real, if it is, it make sense that for some bug in the soul, universe whatever....some fragment of memory appears at random once or twice in a person life. It may also be possesion demonic or not, or just purely imagination.

I dont know, and nobody knows (for now) but at least nowadays this belongs in the realm of belief and religion. Not in the scientific world.

About this case Its not the first time I hear the story of a child who suddently remember something of the past life. Like being murdered, and then being taken to the village it remember everything or almost. First in India then in Africa then in Syria...IMO this is a urban legend. Unless somebody can post some specifics...this case IMO never happen. My two cents....

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I agree with you. I have had many experiences that I could interpret as traces of a past life, but if one has grown up in my culture where it is taken for granted -- much as many Americans take Heaven for granted -- such experiences cannot be trusted entirely, but are nevertheless suggestive. I think people around the world have such things happen to them but unless their expectations are clued, they dismiss them.

The claims just can't be tested scientifically any way I can think of. Therefore a rational person has to withhold belief, and leave it as an opinion that it seems likely, and no more.

I will say though that a universe where sentience is like electric charge or energy -- preserved but constantly changing -- the idea sure makes sense. It is way too easy, though, to go overboard here -- this is speculation since no one knows what sentience might be or where it might came from (although actually much the same can be said of electric charge or of energy).

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Yes culture has a great influence either in confirming or dismantling the "visions" by integrating it into the local culture or silencing it if its incompatible. But at least for now we cannot confirm it scientifically so thats why it belongs into the realm of belive not knowledge.

The only person I know of who had a almost complete knowledge of the past life is OmmSeti, a fascinating case. But it may also be a sad case of mental illness or but fascinating nonetheless

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