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#1    Socio

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:19 PM




If this is not a good reason to privatize the educational system and get government, all government even local government out of it entirely I don't know what is.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:32 PM

How does making math pathetically more complex than it needs to be fight "white privilege"?


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:32 PM

Common core is absurd. This guy is absurd. A self loathing weasel out to influence your children. I really don't get how this can end so called white privilege and with such a statement from an author I don't get how anyone could think anything other than what Socio said above. Common core math is unnecessary and confusing. I'm lost as to how it is supposed to encourage critical thinking as claimed. There are better ways to encourage critical thinking but math is math. It is what it is, was and always will be. Wtf is a number sentence?! I have an arithmetic book from the late 1800's on my book shelf and is every bit as useful and complete and straight forward as math ever was and ever needs to be. The only thing outdated about that book is the prices for goods and wages for workers they use in their problems. Math don't change!

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:40 PM

Dont get me wrong I am strongly against common core.

but I listened to the video and I didnt hear what your talking about? He said something along the lines of he thinks everyone should be able to read and that he felt he was overly privileged because he was white. It sounds like I would not agree with most of what this guy says but I really dont see what the title of the video is saying?

His words " to give kids an equal opportunity to learn how to read"

Edited by spartan max2, 24 May 2014 - 04:41 PM.

" I imagine that the intellegent people are the ones so intellegent that they dont even need or want to look "intellegent" anymore".
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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:43 PM

I can't see the video for some reason but regardless, common core sucks and was written by agenda driven progs.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 04:48 PM

If I ever need to help my nephew with math in the future(he's entering first grade) I fully intend to teach him the easy method, 10 - 5 = 5.  Over complicating a math problem is a waste of time and in no way viable in the real world.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 08:54 PM

We have two types of Maths problems here in Oz, one where you have to filter out the extraneous garbage to get to the problem and one where you don't. The later is "number facts" and it's the stuff we learnt by rote and still astonishes kids that I can rattle off without thought my Times Tables. The former is the "I have seven oranges and three friends come around to play Call of Duty, how many pieces of orange does each player get after they finish their first match?" you get rid of the "flavour text" and you get to a problem about dividing up seven oranges equally amongst three people.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 09:05 PM

View PostSir Wearer of Hats, on 24 May 2014 - 08:54 PM, said:

We have two types of Maths problems here in Oz, one where you have to filter out the extraneous garbage to get to the problem and one where you don't. The later is "number facts" and it's the stuff we learnt by rote and still astonishes kids that I can rattle off without thought my Times Tables. The former is the "I have seven oranges and three friends come around to play Call of Duty, how many pieces of orange does each player get after they finish their first match?" you get rid of the "flavour text" and you get to a problem about dividing up seven oranges equally amongst three people.

2 & 1/3 oranges each?


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 10:59 PM

You yankees are deep in your capitalist indoctrination. It takes just one example, you cherry-pick the kind of examples you like. My country has public education but we're not backrupt because of that, but because we loaned pooploads of monkey to Greece and other EU paperdrains. 40 billion monkeys wasted in the name of economical balance.

So I guess yeah, despite faring pretty well on international charts our students end up being retards who loan money to anyone who asks and privatize everything because that's what you in the USA do and USA is best. The moment we started to do things your way we started to suck. Our private healthcare is a joke: people abuse sick leaves and get practically free vacations while those with less money have to pay the doctor.

Do you understand what I'm saying with your private education background? I come from a public school, our public schools created people like the founder of Nokia, and a world peace nobelist precident who's been negotiating conflicts around the world.

Private or public doesn't matter, it's how you maintain the system. If you have a car and you maintain it badly, it breaks up. If you dont take care of your health, you break up and die sooner. That's what's happening to your public school system, if anything.

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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:24 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 24 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

You yankees are deep in your capitalist indoctrination. It takes just one example, you cherry-pick the kind of examples you like. My country has public education but we're not backrupt because of that, but because we loaned pooploads of monkey to Greece and other EU paperdrains. 40 billion monkeys wasted in the name of economical balance.

So I guess yeah, despite faring pretty well on international charts our students end up being retards who loan money to anyone who asks and privatize everything because that's what you in the USA do and USA is best. The moment we started to do things your way we started to suck. Our private healthcare is a joke: people abuse sick leaves and get practically free vacations while those with less money have to pay the doctor.

Do you understand what I'm saying with your private education background? I come from a public school, our public schools created people like the founder of Nokia, and a world peace nobelist precident who's been negotiating conflicts around the world.

Private or public doesn't matter, it's how you maintain the system. If you have a car and you maintain it badly, it breaks up. If you dont take care of your health, you break up and die sooner. That's what's happening to your public school system, if anything.

Are there no private schools in Finland? 9/10 people here, if not more, go to public schools. Besides, non of this has anything to do with Common Core.


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Posted 24 May 2014 - 11:41 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 24 May 2014 - 10:59 PM, said:

You yankees are deep in your capitalist indoctrination. It takes just one example, you cherry-pick the kind of examples you like. My country has public education but we're not backrupt because of that, but because we loaned pooploads of monkey to Greece and other EU paperdrains. 40 billion monkeys wasted in the name of economical balance.

So I guess yeah, despite faring pretty well on international charts our students end up being retards who loan money to anyone who asks and privatize everything because that's what you in the USA do and USA is best. The moment we started to do things your way we started to suck. Our private healthcare is a joke: people abuse sick leaves and get practically free vacations while those with less money have to pay the doctor.

Do you understand what I'm saying with your private education background? I come from a public school, our public schools created people like the founder of Nokia, and a world peace nobelist precident who's been negotiating conflicts around the world.

Private or public doesn't matter, it's how you maintain the system. If you have a car and you maintain it badly, it breaks up. If you dont take care of your health, you break up and die sooner. That's what's happening to your public school system, if anything.
If by "maintain" you mean throw money at the problem then you are ignorant of the topic.  I seriously doubt there is another country anywhere that spends more money on a failed system.  All we hear is "it's for the children" yet no accountability is acceptable after the $$ is spent and we still get substandard scores.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 06:46 AM

Oh it wasn't about public/private schools... okay. I think your schools are still more on the private side even if they were state-sponsored if you have those tuition fees, but that's another topic. The OP mentioned privatising public schools though. Our public schools have fared just fine for decades without the fees, what's the problem really on your end?

Nope, throwing money at them is not the solution, it's the problem. Unfair distribution of money creates motivational issues, and no I dont think everyone should get the same amount, but you should measure the individual effort and practical expertise in determining how much you get. A fair distribution of money and workload, and then supervising that teachers do their work and have the proper conditions to do their work.

So you have the same test for everybody, that's the common core as far as wikipedia says, so what's the problem with that? That people have equal opportunity? Did they scoff at that in the video or am I missing something?

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 02:24 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 25 May 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

Oh it wasn't about public/private schools... okay. I think your schools are still more on the private side even if they were state-sponsored if you have those tuition fees, but that's another topic. The OP mentioned privatising public schools though. Our public schools have fared just fine for decades without the fees, what's the problem really on your end?

Nope, throwing money at them is not the solution, it's the problem. Unfair distribution of money creates motivational issues, and no I dont think everyone should get the same amount, but you should measure the individual effort and practical expertise in determining how much you get. A fair distribution of money and workload, and then supervising that teachers do their work and have the proper conditions to do their work.

So you have the same test for everybody, that's the common core as far as wikipedia says, so what's the problem with that? That people have equal opportunity? Did they scoff at that in the video or am I missing something?
It kind of sounds like you started to argue against us before you fully understand what we are against?

My problem with the test is that no one really learns anymore they just get taught to pass the test. It is all centered around the test. Because if your schools average does better on the test then you get more funding from the government.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 07:24 PM

View Postspartan max2, on 25 May 2014 - 02:24 PM, said:

It kind of sounds like you started to argue against us before you fully understand what we are against?

My problem with the test is that no one really learns anymore they just get taught to pass the test. It is all centered around the test. Because if your schools average does better on the test then you get more funding from the government.
Standardized tests where I used to live were absurdly easy.  To graduate high school all they required you know is the very basic algebra and being able to read.  Then again I grew up in Southern California, and not everyone knew English all that well.


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:29 PM

View PostMikko-kun, on 25 May 2014 - 06:46 AM, said:

Unfair distribution of money creates motivational issues,

in  our corrupt system there is no such thing as fair anything, especially money distribution.  that wrong assumption alone cancels your entire post,

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