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#1    Astra-

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:00 AM

There are a number of reasons why the various Governments, military and their agencies around the world will not admit to the existence of what are popularly called - UFO's.

If you ignore the obvious reason that will be given by the sceptics - that UFO's do not exist - you may find the following interesting.

Author~ Damian Steele~

* A friend sent me this article last evening. Apologies ahead... if it has already been submitted to UM.

Edited from Daniel to "Damian"  - thanks for the spell check seeder.

http://www.ctlsoftwa...o.uk/acknow.htm

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:13 AM

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Can you see all the Governments agreeing to anything all at the same time?

This why I generally dismiss alien/UFO belief. Because in order for the Truth to remain hidden so very many people would all have to agree to keep it secret. And you just know that there are leaders like Kim Jong Un, who would announce such knowledge within 15 minutes of knowing it.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:37 AM

View PostDieChecker, on 26 May 2014 - 04:13 AM, said:

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This why I generally dismiss alien/UFO belief. Because in order for the Truth to remain hidden so very many people would all have to agree to keep it secret. And you just know that there are leaders like Kim Jong Un, who would announce such knowledge within 15 minutes of knowing it.

Yeah. This is one of the most implausible cover ups in history. It's the same as if the moon landing were hoaxed. Too many people would be involved for way too long for no evidence to come out.
If advanced alien life had come to earth, the entire planet would know within days.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:48 AM

I thought Britain opened all there books on UFOs to the public, and its not that people haven't come out its just that when they do come out with statements there immediately dismissed as liars

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:53 AM

View PostAstra00, on 26 May 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

There are a number of reasons why the various Governments, military and their agencies around the world will not admit to the existence of what are popularly called - UFO's.

If you ignore the obvious reason that will be given by the sceptics - that UFO's do not exist - you may find the following interesting.

Author~ Daniel Steele~

* A friend sent me this article last evening. Apologies ahead... if it has already been submitted to UM.



http://www.ctlsoftwa...o.uk/acknow.htm


That would be Damian Steele, not Daniel, according to the website. Its not a very good link really, who the heck is Damian anyway? And I think you'll find skeptics DO acknowledge UFO's, blimey even Ive seen a couple of odd things in the skies.. but I draw the line at them being ET craft..


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 04:55 AM

There are plenty of unidentified objects in the sky. The problem is when people go from unidentified to saying "therefor it's aliens."



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:08 AM

View Postseeder, on 26 May 2014 - 04:53 AM, said:

That would be Damian Steele, not Daniel, according to the website. Its not a very good link really, who the heck is Damian anyway? And I think you'll find skeptics DO acknowledge UFO's, blimey even Ive seen a couple of odd things in the skies.. but I draw the line at them being ET craft..


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Aww, you should share your experiences about a couple of the odd things in the sky that you have seen.
I'm sure that many would be interested  :-*

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:14 AM

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RELIGION
The first major point is a religious one.  There are numerous religions around the world that firmly believe this planet was made by God for the benefit of man.  Further to that, all the creatures were placed on the Earth for man to use.  Also, man was made in the image of God.
There is no mention of other planets being made for other dominant species or of other species being made in the image of God.
Now, I fully accept that there will be some religious people who are not bothered by this; even that they might welcome aliens as another example of the power of their God.  However, there are likely to be many millions who cannot or will not accept the aliens.

Absolute nonsense, the only people who would be adversely affected by this are third world countries that remain bound by superstition and the Fundamentalists, and we already have these problems to deal with. One might also consider that another species has probably already been through this already, and would be able to recognise that and therefore make sure they don't go making first contact with Thor Templar, Choudry or Malik Zulu Shabazz.  

UFOlogy is predominantly Westernised and even then largely popularized by the United States. That is a predominantly Christian religion, and the Vatican accepts ET life and has it's own astronomy sections to look out upon the heavens for any poor sap that might need God's word to get by.

There is mention of other worlds in religious texts, in fact God speaks to Abraham. He says that he has created "worlds without end". The Quran mentions "other worlds" and "Seven Heavens" the Talmudic teaching (Avoda Zara 3b) says that "God flies through 18,000 worlds." and the Torah speaks of intelligent life on a star.

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THE MILITARY
The various military bodies around the world have a lot to lose.
If we assume that the stories are true and alien ships have been recovered or that contact has been made with alien races and exchanges happen, the military of any country would currently have an incredible advantage over their adversaries if they were using Off-world technology.
This advantage could perhaps be seen in warfare, weapon design, surveillance or other areas and would be lost if the technology was revealed to one and all.
Also, the militaries would have to admit that either A: they could not stop the UFOs from entering and leaving their respective air space or B: that they had been permitting this to happen.
If we accept the former, it would likely cause a loss of confidence in the military's ability to adequately defend the countries, people and properties of earth.
Surely someone would ask "If the military cannot do the job they are paid to do, why pay them?"

This contradicts itself, if one nation had such advantages over another due to Interstellar allies, this would not be kept secret, and it is ludicrous to consider it even might be.

What normal thinking person would expect the military to overcome a more powerful previously unknown force? It;s not how they play out in the movies is it - in scenarios like independance day they people of the world band together and everyone becomes military - I'd love to see a movie where the militant UFOLogists who claim the military as always keeping them in the dark are cut loose to sort out their own problems with hostile aliens. All of whom would die impressive and grizzly CGI deaths.

Of a hostile force was to take over the earth and the military could not stop them, who would be left to complain about their pay rates?

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PUBLIC PANIC
The reaction of the public at large would be a significant factor in the decision.  Would people panic with the idea of alien invasions, general enslavement, death, destruction or worse?
If we look back to the first radio broadcast of "The War of The Worlds" and note the mass panic it caused - people trampled to death, mass evacuation etc - and then realise that the broadcast even included an announcement that it was fiction.  .
Since those days, we have become more accustomed to the idea.  Have we not seen a steady stream of UFO movies and books?  Do we not sit down to watch dozens of Science Fiction series each year?  Is it possible that there are departments who not only sanction but assist in the production of material which will get the public used to the idea of aliens being real?
So, would people still react in the same way?  Would we even believe it?
Some people will always panic, the question is 'How many?'

UFOlogists have no faith in the human species at all do they - it seems they think we are all as pathetic as they be.

Believe it or not, the entire world has heard about the Orson Welles broadcast, and I do not see that happening again, especially so with the level of technology we have today - one wee Ipod with a Wi Fi connection can check these things, - we do not all still sit around at night as a family listening to stories on the radio. For all the UFOlogists out there - we invented this uber cool thing called TV - it's literally moving pictures in a portable box. One can verify a story at a moment's notice - not to mention that TV thingymebob has desensitised people to such, They have seen Mexican Cartels murder in cold blood, they have seen a beating human heart, they have seen the wonders of space. It's not the same place it was in 1930 wake up. Today people would not run and hide, millions would be out with cameras to "prove the skeptics wrong" some rednecks would be trying to shoot it down, and the rest of the people would just go "cause it looks cool".

It's an insult to people in general, unlike UFOlogists, many are able to move forward in life and do not fear the boogeyman for ever.

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OUR GOVERNMENTS
Perhaps the biggest reason that such an announcement could not happen is that the Governments would have to admit that they had been lying to us all, and probably for years.  They would also have to make the announcement all over the world in one go to prevent any one Government from gaining political advantage from the announcement.  Can you see all the Governments agreeing to anything all at the same time?
If it happened, there would most likely be legal cases arising from such an admission.  How many people have been made to look like fools (or worse) because they talked of aliens?  How many lives have been practically ruined?  Just think of the Marcel family in the Roswell incident.  Wasn't Jessie Marcel's life and career ruined after he was forced to change his original statement to say that the debris he found was not alien, and was in fact a weather balloon?  What price could be put on that?
There would also be allegations that the Governments were involved in a sort of "cultural swap" where they permitted the aliens to take humans and animals for experimentation in exchange for alien specimens or technology.

Jesse Marcels life was anything but ruined, rate than face a quiet retirement watching the savings ebb away, he became one of the most spoken about characters in the field was invited to speak at endless conferences, had many TV interviews and books authors. Even his son benefited from the incident just claiming to be part of it.

The Governments do not agree with each other - it got that right but fails to admit this is why the premise is faulty, as DC said, they would oust each other, I know that when the French decided to ignore the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty to bomb the Atoll that the entire globe knew about it. The entire UN cannot keep that band of pirates the Sea Shepherd docked, they could never come together on an issue like this which gives one side a clear unfair advantage.


Poppycock written by a UFO noob. And one stuck in the past at that.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:19 AM

View PostReaperS_ParadoX, on 26 May 2014 - 04:48 AM, said:

I thought Britain opened all there books on UFOs to the public, and its not that people haven't come out its just that when they do come out with statements there immediately dismissed as liars

Pretty much every country has - the US has not released 100% of it's files is my understanding. But what it has released is not good enough for UFOlogy.

Interestingly enough, the one source I would trust - WIKILEAKS - says the Government know nothing. They say the only Aliens concern the Government has is the rise of UFO religions like Raelians, which uses a prostitution ring to fund it's cult.

View PostAstra00, on 26 May 2014 - 05:08 AM, said:

And has anyone made a reference to you as being a "hard lined sceptic" seeder?

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:21 AM

To add to the religious point, Mormonism has the idea that the faithful get their own planet to reign as god, as did Jesus.

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Pretty much every country has - the US has not released 100% of it's files is my understanding. But what it has released is not good enough for UFOlogy.

Interestingly enough, the one source I would trust - WIKILEAKS - says the Government know nothing. They say the only Aliens concern the Government has is the rise of UFO religions like Raelians, which uses a prostitution ring to fund it's cult.



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If I remember, most of them had reasonable explanations, with others that were left with "we don't know what it was."



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:24 AM

View PostHappyMonkey, on 26 May 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

To add to the religious point, Mormonism has the idea that the faithful get their own planet to reign as god, as did Jesus.

Buddha mentioned them too :tu: The thot plickens!

View PostHappyMonkey, on 26 May 2014 - 05:21 AM, said:

If I remember, most of them had reasonable explanations, with others that were left with "we don't know what it was."

You're not thinking of Blue Book are you? The unsealed alien government files opened up deep secrets of detailed written depictions of entities that have visited this planet - like this:

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Or this!!!


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And even this sensitive little item!!


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I mean - the bastages!!  How DARE They keep this sort of thing from us - who pay their wages!!! I mean this means... it means....well to be frank, I don't actually want to say what it means being a member of this species.

Seriously, when you see what is "covered up" according to UFO people, it's truly laughable. This is what we are supposed to be worked up about?


But the famed Blue Book 5% that they could not identify - I always wonder why that cannot be the kooks? Koos cannot make up 5% of BS that keeps people who take them at their word baffled by decades - not due to lack of information, but the very fact the information is useless?

How can there not be 5% of things we do not quickly recognise due to things like lighting conditions or parallax error? I always though that puts the possibility of genuine sightings back from 5% to 0.00000000001% to nothing.

Why this is though is some of the explanations were not reasonable, I can admit that, Major Quintanilla was the best in the field for arrogant and ridiculous explanations, but I do not see how that equates to alien cover up over ego? He believed he was as good as it got, and resented being delegated to such an insignificant branch of military and felt people who thought they saw aliens were idiots. That does not mean people really saw aliens and he covered them up.  It just meant he thought he was right over these ignorant plebs is all and that it was too stupid for words - much how UFO people think that it is obvious that UFO's are alien starships.

Edited by psyche101, 26 May 2014 - 06:25 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:24 AM

View Postpsyche101, on 26 May 2014 - 05:19 AM, said:

Pretty much every country has - the US has not released 100% of it's files is my understanding. But what it has released is not good enough for UFOlogy.

Interestingly enough, the one source I would trust - WIKILEAKS - says the Government know nothing. They say the only Aliens concern the Government has is the rise of UFO religions like Raelians, which uses a prostitution ring to fund it's cult.



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Neither has Brazil :st


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Posted 26 May 2014 - 06:29 AM

View PostYes_Man, on 26 May 2014 - 06:24 AM, said:

Neither has Brazil :st

I am pretty sure when the OP came here she made the same erroneous claim, and I gave her a list of countries with links to the releases.

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Edited by psyche101, 26 May 2014 - 06:32 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 07:03 AM

View PostAstra00, on 26 May 2014 - 04:00 AM, said:

There are a number of reasons why the various Governments, military and their agencies around the world will not admit to the existence of what are popularly called - UFO's.

If you ignore the obvious reason that will be given by the sceptics - that UFO's do not exist - you may find the following interesting.

Author~ Damian Steele~

* A friend sent me this article last evening. Apologies ahead... if it has already been submitted to UM.

Edited from Daniel to "Damian"  - thanks for the spell check seeder.

http://www.ctlsoftwa...o.uk/acknow.htm

Here is a summary of what your post is referring to going briefly into the history of Ufology.  It sets the scene from the 1940's with the explosion of the first A bombs and Greer sets out the role of Presidents in the cover up and much more:

https://www.youtube....h?v=ifq0BHivado

Edited by zoser, 26 May 2014 - 07:04 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2014 - 07:06 AM

View PostYes_Man, on 26 May 2014 - 06:24 AM, said:

Neither has Brazil :st

Neither has the US!  

The real information is not likely to be disclosed just yet.

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